I'm just wondering if people's faith in Bethesda has been shaken.

I think people's faith was already shaken judging by other comments about past Bethesda games. There are obviously some die-hards who were expecting some level of bugginess in the game, but not being able to load your saved games is a deal-breaker, no matter how faithful you are!

Too little too late.

The "release early, patch later" mentality is just getting worse. I can handle a few tweaks after release, but any game that REQUIRES a post-release patch just to be able to play it is simply unacceptable. The release of Fallout New Vegas has set a new low in quality (quite an achievement for both Bethesda and Obsidian), and I fully expect to see the trend continue.

I think the patch should help the game run like FO3. Which is (for me at least) pretty much perfectly (without the DLC of course)

There will still be lots of bugs (have you played Fallout 3 or Oblivion?). I don't really care about bugginess generally. Bethesda has always (in the time I've been a faithful customer of theirs) released RPGs that are incredibly buggy, but I still hold them up as one of the finest gaming companies still around (my other two favourites, Blizzard and Ensemble Studios have disappeared or become considerably less cool, due to WoW, which I refuse to ever play). Even with a large amount of quests that may or may not be bugged, their games provide a hundred + hours of gameplay (easily). I mean...when you're developing games that massive in the same amount of time most companies make a six and a half hour shooter, it's understandable that not every bug will be caught and/or rectified. Have you played Call of Duty: Black Ops? That game is laughably bad and surprisingly buggy, considering they're using the same engine as nearly every other CoD game (which have only gotten worse since leaving the WWII era). They had a similar development time to Fallout New Vegas. I'm not saying Black Ops is anywhere near as buggy New Vegas...not even close, but it's a terrible game with a short, unenjoyable campaign, the worst online gameplay I've ever suffered through (except Army of Two, possibly), no story, and no replay appeal.

This is my first time buying a game made by obsidian though, and I must say that the game corruption bugs have hurt my gaming experience. I had the DLC bug pop up on me once (clearing history fixed it, lucky me), but I've been a little gun-shy -so to speak- ever since and have played very little, for fear of losing my progress, even though I constantly alternate between 11 different saves.

Bethesda's engine was old and buggy. We all knew that. They got Obsidian to make their next game on the outdated engine while they worked on ES5 (which is gonna be a classic...I can already feel it), which will probably be on a shiny new engine. If anything I feel bad for Bethesda....they make games that are literally unparalleled in terms of content and manage to do fairly well with an outdated engine. Then they pay another company to use the engine they have no experience with, end up with a game that's buggy to the nth degree, but still have their name on it, when they had next to no control over the actual production. They're getting a lot of negative press over something they didn't have direct control over...kinda sad.

In the end, there's a reason that all of Bethesda's RPGs have GOTY editions.

Very nicely put. I bought FO3 on a whim and thoroughly enjoyed it, mainly because of the massive amount of involvement, and was looking forward to NV. I don't have an allegiance to a particular company, nor any previous experience with any of the bugs cited from playing Oblivion etc, but saying that, I've never come across bugs in a game that will ACTUALLY prevent you from being able to play it, which is fairly off putting.. It's probably magnified aswell by putting in an amount of hours only to discover you can't reload a previous save..

Anyone who purchased ESIV or Fallout 3 on release, should have known what to expect, although the level of bugs is something else with New Vegas. Faith is not something that should be used in a sentence with a Bethesda release, however they all turn out ok in the end, its just sad that that is what we come to expect from them.

But if they know the engine is running bad or is buggy, then why did they release it? That's like saying Ford released a new car, but with no doors for about four months. But then said, "Oh.. crap. Yeah, we'll fix it." Weeks later, it only has two doors. It's a bad comparison, but it's the point that matters. The game runs (as the car does), but the user is unhappy because the product is crappy. If they've known the game engine was going to be buggy, they don't release the game until it's fixed. Yeah, it costs money. But without consumers (some of whom have said they will never buy another game again from the companies), they have no money. Either way, they've got to fix it. And they should've fixed it as soon as the testers were testing it. Not us testers, they're testers. If anything, they should be laid-off or fired because of the poor job they did. I stopped playing NV because of the different problems with it: game save bug, possible RROD threat. I'm not risking anything to play a game that can cause me to become angry. I switched to BO and I've been playing that since (still like MW2 better.. but hey).

You act as if the PATCH is out...we have yet to see a patch, get a answer as to when the patch is going to be out...when and IF we get the patch, then ask this question.

Reread all the choices genius. It's asking if you think it will fix everything.

I have very little issues with the current patch, so I'm pretty optimistic about this big one.

I love how people still call New Vegas a Bethesda game. It's not, and never has been in the context of the accusations.

Anyway, I believe the patch will definitely fix the game-breakers. I'm not optimistic for anything else, though perhaps the length of time it took to get a patch out is indicative of some degree of quality QA before sending it for certification and distribution. We should know in a week or so.

well they took enough time on it, it better fix all the issues we have brought up on the forums repeatedly ad nauseum


i guess when we see the final changelog patch notes we will know for sure if they have been listening to us, their fans and customers

Yah hopefully they have been listening to us for the past month and a half, and what a journey it has been. some thought there would never be a patch yet here we are, finally. it will be interesting to see just how effective the patch is in improving the overall quality of the game.

It will be my last game I purchase from them....

Below me.... again, we won't know until we get the patch now, will we...and to answer the question, if we get more of what we already have....then the answer is NOPE, gonna cause more issues...GENIUS....

Wanted to inform Xbox players that patch 1.02 is now live on the PSN Europe and America. It is 22 MB (Canadian version). I didn't try to play yet, but if you look at the comments
on the PS3 forum, you'll see that things don't seem to be that much better. I guess Bethesda will release a patch note tomorrow. Hope you guys are gonna get it soon to.

I'm hoping that the patch will fix the myriad of bugs and glitches but if it doesn't, so be it, I'll have learned my lesson and buy all future titles from Bethseda/Obsidian used. Hell look at KOTOR 2, that game was never fixed properly and was patched by the community..

You know, I've heard this a few times... what didn't work in KOTOR 2? I played it for the Xbox, and I remember enjoying it quite a bit, and beating it at least twice. What was the problem?

"Below me.... again, we won't know until we get the patch now, will we...and to answer the question, if we get more of what we already have....then the answer is NOPE, gonna cause more issues...GENIUS.... "

If you don't want to speculate, why are you posting in a speculation thread?

I'd like to know this too. Played KOTOR II through a few times and never encountered any real bugs. Other than one side quest bug and the crappy nature of the swoop racing.

The big complaint I think is about the amount of cut content. At least one additional planet, the droid factory, multiple endings for each character and the end game itself.

Apparently the first patch was 19Mb and this one is only 22Mb.
Its hardly a big patch,unfortunately.

And if the PS3 thread is anything to go by...it has not fixed much either.

Maybe they rushed it out, just like the game. :rolleyes:

I played KOTOR 2 on the pc and it was quite a while ago, here are the issues I remember: character getting stuck on/ in small pieces of the environment, doors that would not open, script errors where npc's didn't give the correct dialogue options, some Lightsaber crystals not working as described and making the lightsaber invisible.
As I said this was long ago and as I remember it the modding community fixed most of the bugs themselves.

Alot of games came out for the holiday season how are all those games doing?
As for the patch i say it may fix most but not all the issues on the game. Those that feel they lost love from the company and such... Think about it if they didn't care about any customer there wouldn't be any single patches coming out. Regardless of all the bugs in the game. Also gamesas isn't much to be blamed as it is the as Obsidian enterainment... Before declare "gamesas ruined my love of the game". They may have published it but they didn't create the game.

Joey

Obsidian took a major hit on this one for future trust. gamesas also made a mistake of just releasing a game that refuses to work. Wonderful game but it's not worth it any more. I come here waiting to get a patch so this game will function almost a month and half later, get the finish line of "we almost have it out any day now" Im not jumping for joy or counting the moments. Time passes thinking of past problems of twice being hit by the save bug now my interest is gone to play Fallout NV at all. It might be in the fututre that this game will work in new updated copys sold well down the road but right now this game is never gonna fly patched with spit and glue.

The game has just sat waiting all this time for the company to make good on the fixes and major game breaking problems. AS this update covers the problems and others being pointed out new updates might come out to fix some other minor problem. I am at the point now it just is not worth my time to be kept waiting waiting and waiting not knowing if the game will work after or be worse than it already is. My point is I want the Fallout NV game but not this turkey.
It truely stinks.


Obsidian might want to polish this game with a new up to date engine that can handle the massive amounts of data the game uses. Revamp the whole thing from start to finish with the new engine keep the feel of the game working smoothly. HYPE the game WORKING..in fact build a whole new empire out of the ashes of this disaster with new storys about this wiped out world and the heros or villians it can produce. Hit me with hints teasers and get my interest in the next adventure offered without doubt if it will work or not.
If it was relaible {it wont ever be perfect} as most games are get me in line. Right now nope it just isnt exciting anymore.