How do you Kill Alduin ? : V - Skyrim

» Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:50 pm

:facepalm:

There is no world if there is no time!

Ok.......

:shrug:

» Thu Dec 09, 2010 11:47 pm

If you kill time, there s 2 options:

1) The unverse, or whaterver become a picture... it simply freeze.

2) The other alternative is exactly the same effect as a defective printer printing always on the same line, a F****** mess.

You don twant any of these effect, for sure.

» Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:09 pm

I would pretty much guarantee that we're not going to kill Alduin. That's a pretty solid certainty, since doing so would unmake time, which would pretty effectively unmake the universe, and I'm pretty sure that Beth is counting on an Elder Scrolls VI.

I just hope we don't run between his feet, then stand there and watch a cutscene.

» Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:57 pm

If time ceased to exist everything that could ever happen would happen at the exact same time

» Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:57 pm

Who says we even Fight Alduin?

» Fri Dec 10, 2010 6:32 am

Perhaps you can kill Alduin without completely killing Akatosh as Alduin is the evil of Akatosh? Maybe he kill's himself! And eats himself... :hubbahubba: /stoner theories

» Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:06 pm

Who says we even Fight Alduin?

People who never played Daggerfall and assume every Elder Scrolls game has to have an epic, overly-dramatic plot that culminates in a titanic battle against the gods.

» Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:43 am

Yes, but the difference is that Alduin is an anthro... wait, Dracopomorphic personification! If you kill him, there is no more linearity of time or causality. That would be bad, for those of you don't speak nerd.

I would assume you need to either forge a new Pact or mantle him before killing him, alternatively there may well be a twist to this story we haven't seen yet.

I think it will be like this: you kill Alduin, nothing happens. Entire Bethesda staff goes "bwahahahahahahah" after successfully trolling us lorenerds :flamethrower:

» Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:26 am

I think it will be like this: you kill Alduin, nothing happens. Entire Bethesda staff goes "bwahahahahahahah" after successfully trolling us lorenerds :flamethrower:

That would be just mean. :mellow:

» Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:20 am

That would be just mean. :mellow:

Though it seems quite propable, given Oblivion's rather low emphasis on lore. I think "amagavd GENERIC BAD DRAGON" will be the case rather than"amagavd DRAGON-GOD OF TIME". I would love to be wrong though.

» Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:27 pm

only people not versed in what TES is about would think that you can just walk up to Alduin and kill him, Alduin who already kicks ass as a Aedra turns face and is doing what he has ALWAYS done for time imemorial....and you think some swords gonna scratch time? kk :facepalm:

» Fri Dec 10, 2010 2:53 pm

i think that the ending of the game will be something along the lines of:
the amulet of kings was shattered at the end of oblivion, this unbounds alduin (the amulet of kings was a soul gem).
this is why he has changed from nice head-of-the-pantheon to evil-world-eater.
you must re-bind his soul into a new amulet of kings (by killing him with some artefact)
therefore you have a new head of the empire (i.e. yourself as a dragonborn) and the means with which to prove your lineage (the new amulet of kings)
therefore bringing an end to the civil war, and bringing a better, stronger empire into existence.

» Fri Dec 10, 2010 6:19 am

i think that the ending of the game will be something along the lines of:
the amulet of kings was shattered at the end of oblivion, this unbounds alduin (the amulet of kings was a soul gem).
this is why he has changed from nice head-of-the-pantheon to evil-world-eater.
you must re-bind his soul into a new amulet of kings (by killing him with some artefact)
therefore you have a new head of the empire (i.e. yourself as a dragonborn) and the means with which to prove your lineage (the new amulet of kings)
therefore bringing an end to the civil war, and bringing a better, stronger empire into existence.

I rather like that idea. I always wanted to wear the Amulet of Kings. Sure, I had mods. But the amulet would always clip with my armor!

» Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:52 am

In Morrowind you fought a God ...

Ummm, you fought two false gods in Morrowind. Mortal Chimer who stole their powers from the heart of a "dead" god (note dead as in his physical form lost, he's probably still alive)
And the only real god you fight is in Bloodmoon, and you only fight an aspect of his power in his avatar. So no, killing gods are like impossible.

Plus as the others mentioned, killing Alduin would end time.

» Fri Dec 10, 2010 1:13 pm

Just because the Tribunal and Ur stole the power doesn't mean they are "false gods."

» Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:07 pm

Just because the Tribunal and Ur stole the power doesn't mean they are "false gods."

They are mentioned as false gods throughout the game.

» Fri Dec 10, 2010 3:17 pm

I am thinking, what if killing him/stopping him from "recycling" Nirn is a bad, bad thing?

I mean, think about it, we, and those who may end up aiding us on our quest are in the end, short-sighted mortals who cannot possibly understand the motivations of such a higher power, especially when it includes the need to destroy us.

What if, by stopping the cycle, things appear to be fine for a while...but it turns out Nirn/reality etc, has an "expiration date"?

That by stopping Alduin from consuming the world and remaking it, we have doomed it to eventually stagnate and decay, and with Alduin stopped...there is no hope of ever renewing it.

» Fri Dec 10, 2010 11:07 am

They are mentioned as false gods throughout the game.

By Azura and the Ashlanders.

» Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:22 am

Just because the Tribunal and Ur stole the power doesn't mean they are "false gods."

True, but still, they are not forces holding reality together and they were still killable even after they stole the powers of a god. Meanwhile we have a god like Mephala (a deadra) and her greatest desire is to see another true god die, which has never happened. So if a goddess of murder can't kill a god, chances are mortals cant either. Especially the god who periodically destroys and remakes the universe over and over again.

» Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:24 am

By Azura and the Ashlanders.

There are a lot of Ashlanders in the game.

» Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:57 am

True, but still, they are not forces holding reality together and they were still killable even after they stole the powers of a god. Meanwhile we have a god like Mephala (a deadra) and her greatest desire is to see another true god die, which has never happened. So if a goddess of murder can't kill a god, chances are mortals cant either. Especially the god who periodically destroys and remakes the universe over and over again.

They were only killable when they lost their connection to the Heart. And I agree with you, I doubt we are going to kill Time.

There are a lot of Ashlanders in the game.

It doesn't mean they are correct.

» Fri Dec 10, 2010 7:26 am

It doesn't mean they are correct.

I wish I could join Dagoth Ur. They are false gods because they didn't accept my partnership.

» Fri Dec 10, 2010 12:55 am

Alduin is one persona of Time. If he is incapable of actualizing Time, then Alduin will die. He will be usurped by the Dragonborn, whose true name my inturnetz say is Ysgramor, King of the Nords.

I am thinking, what if killing him/stopping him from "recycling" Nirn is a bad, bad thing?

Not at all. Nirn was created as a plane, where spirits would learn to transcend their mortality, and Alduin is an obstacle to realizing this.

» Fri Dec 10, 2010 4:06 pm

Alduin is one persona of Time. If he is incapable of actualizing Time, then Alduin will die. He will be usurped by the Dragonborn, whose true name my inturnetz say is Ysgramor, King of the Nords.

Not at all. Nirn was created as a plane, where spirits would learn to transcend their mortality, and Alduin is an obstacle to realizing this.

So...we're going to turn into a god?

» Fri Dec 10, 2010 8:43 am

In one story about Superman that I′ve read (you can find the name of it in the spoiler tag), Lex Luthor fails to defeat him no matter what he throws at him but he finally defeats him by appealing to his conscience. What if the same could be done to Alduin ? Do you think Alduin has enough of a personality to be persuaded to go against his world engulfing instincts ?

Maybe the hero could win the day with words rather than with might.

Spoiler

Superman: Red Son