I don't like it. It doesn't make me want to buy LR so much more. It makes me go cool, destroyed stuff :shrug:

There's very little I can discern from a picture of a pile of rubble. I like the http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110727010718/fallout/images/3/3a/Lonesomeroad.jpg better, you can see mountains in the background and stuff. Or perhaps those are smokestacks. I'm not quite sure.

haha. I did the same thing when the image was released. Spent a few hours looking at this, the map image from OWB and Google Earth trying to figure out where it was going to be and where in the Mojave the link to LR would be. I'm sticking to Barstow-Victorville as my guess as to the location. I have read quite a few opinions about the link and I'm sticking by my "educated" guess of the Mojave Outpost. I'm glad to know that there is someone as bored/insane as I am. :foodndrink:

I seriously doubt both Barstow and Victorville. Both are along the I-15, which is the NCR's major supply route into the New Vegas area. So neither of those makes any sense.

I was wondering, though, why CL was stuck at Hoover Dam when I-40 would be an easier route?

If any of those High Roads, it's most likely Barstow-Victorville one. Just look at the area it leads into:
http://img31.imageshack.us/img31/7433/2divide.jpg
I was wondering "Well that doesn't look like anything near the Mojave!" But then I remembered, Zion isn't near the Mojave either, and it takes 2 weeks to walk there. So if it is there, in the picture above, which isn't likely, then it would probably be a skip scene and pass some time like Honest Hearts.

The Mojave stretches all the way west to the San Gabriel mountains, dividing the desert from the LA metropolitan area and down to the San Bernardino mountains. It looks too far south, thought, to cause problems with the NCR's supply lines. I can't imagine why they'd try to bring fresh troops and supplies from that far south.

Two things that do get mentioned, though, is Death Valley and Carson Pas Highway, which I guess has been identified with Route 88, going from Sacramento through Carson City. That's a lot of distance between those two locations, but it's also very rugged and inhospitable, for a lot of it.

Also, near Route 88, there is this place called Hope Valley. It's a bit of a ways away (still same general area, though), but there is also a High Peak.

*sigh* I know where the Mojave is, I live right next to it. I meant the Mojave Wasteland, which does not stretch that far in any direction.

I'm pretty sure the Mojave Wasteland covers all of the Mojave. We just get to see part of it in the New Vegas area.

And I live IN the Mojave.

Well, I meant the part that explore in New Vegas, then. But according to the wiki:
"The Mojave Wasteland is a location based on the old world Mojave Desert, and the primary setting of Fallout: New Vegas. "
Not sure if there is an official statement regarding it, but for now I think the Mojave Wasteland is the part we see in New Vegas.


But OT, I want to actually walk the Lonesome Road. There should be an option though, whether you want to walk it or not, and if you choose to walk it, you get a unique weapon in a shack along the way, maybe an M1 Carbine like some people are wishing for.

If we have to survive walking two in-game weeks I want a .50 cal machine gun. Sure, it wouldn't be practical, but man, it would be worth it.

No, the first one is half way into California along state route 18 more than I-15. The Divide is said to have ruined their main supply line. The other in a national forest. I guess you didn't look at the map. Each locations I put it well over 100 miles away from Las Vegas, maybe close to 200 miles.


New Vegas barely touched the part in California, the national park part. Thus it doesn't have all the mojave in it. The only part of the mojave wasteland that is in california is the mojave outpost and nipton. It still doesn't go close enough to were the points were.

IIRC the mojave wasteland is supposed to be at 1/25 scale of the actual mojave.

Have you ever driven through Barstow?

I live in the western Mojave. When I drive to Vegas, usually on my way to Utah to visit family, I either drive west on the 138 to Hesperia where I catch the I-15 and follow it up through Victorville, Barstow and Baker. Or I drive north on the 14 to Mojave, then cut across on the 58 to Barstow where I catch the I-15. Don't even try to claim that the I-15 doesn't go through Barstow.

I've also driven through the San Bernardino National Forest more than once when, well, driving to San Bernardino.

Both of your locations, though, are well south of areas that we already know are associated with the Divide. Death Valley and Route 88. So both really aren't even possible in my book.

As fr the maps, when I clicked the links, it just took me to Google Maps. They didn't show anything.



So you're suggesting that the bulk of the Mojave Desert is NOT part of the Mojave Wasteland?

I think you're all forgetting that The Divide is right next to or a part of Death Valley. Also, it seems to be set in Hopeville, which I think is a ficitonal town, so High Rd. wouldn't have an equivalent.

Looks Pitt-iful.

Yeah, I said if you really wanted to see the locations then you would have to copy and paste them. If you see the road locations you will see how they are.

I'm suggesting that the mojave wasteland we see is barely part of the mojave desert.


That's what I'm figuring, but you never know. They could have released that as a real world place then it would show the surrounding area.

Yeah, they're the same spots I found in Google Earth. To reiterate, they're too far away from known locations associated with the Divide: Death Valley and Route 88.

I also tried something else. I just placed the location of Shady Sands in an area which seemed appropriate. I'd would have to say in the vicinity of this place called Shaver Lake... Then I looked up Vault 13 and it said under Mt Whitney, so that means Shady Sands would be around. SO around the loop of I-395, the 120 and route 6 (all guesses on the names). If so and what they say about the divide that it destroyed the NCR's main supply line then maybe it is along I-190 or whatever it is called. The route would be south on 395, then east on 190 then south on 190. This would run about 30-50 miles away from death valley, inside death valley national park.

...I hope you understand that.

EDIT: Isn't route 88 a good chunk away from Death Valley, like half the state of California long.

Yes, it is. But, "The project seemingly ended in catastrophe, later being said to have split the earth, destroying entire companies of NCR soldiers and cutting off supply lines along Death Valley Road and the Carson Pass Highway, granting Caesar's Legion time to recover after their loss in the First Battle of Hoover Dam."

Carson Pass Highway is Route 88. So that means the Divide could be the entire length between Death Valley and the 88. It's very mountainous and rather inhospitable. It's very much a barrier even without storms and earthquakes.

It could be that the divide runs across more than half of california, or something is severely changed in the Fallout Universe.

It cut off supply lines between the two, so that would mean it inbetween them somewhere not on them. And that we are given that it is near death valley, and in one place called hopeville. Given this I figure it is in the death valley national park, which for all we know isn't a national park in the Fallout Universe.

Fallout does tend to take a bit of "real world" and add a large chunk of fiction to it. In a couple hundred years things tend to change a little bit as well... sometimes towns spring up and sometimes places change names. I'm sorry, I know I was the dike who was just Captain Obvious.

That's pretty much what I was thinking.

I should have been clear and said that my guess was as to the location that the image was suggesting. The first Google Maps link posted was exactly what I was guessing. I would have to I would then assume that LR was to take place in the area around that point. This is just my guess.

I think you have a VERY good question there.

Is it bad if I say I want to live in Baker? I won't because it's still in California, but it's close to Demount Dunes and all that desert. It's sad I don't live in the high desert, still desert but eh. Also, you ever seen that abandoned water park along the freeway? Trying to remember where it is. And no I don't know the different highways and freeways, I can't give directions for [censored]. I go by sight.

I'll keep an eye out for it. I'll be driving through Baker in three or four hours.