I wish when people make statements like Todd Howard said, or Bethesda said, they would post a link to what they actually said.

Not saying Mr Howard didn't make these promises, but that's the point. I don't know what he said.

All I can go on in this thread is memories and interpretations of what probably was a vague statement to begin with.


Slightly on topic; Do the books in shops where you can forge numbers actually do anything. Or are they for a quest I haven't done yet?

Thanks. Time for a not so goody two shoes playthrough. :liplick:

Bethesda Game Studios is a business. This business exists in this society to make money. Hype servers to garner mass revenue. Hype leads to misinformation, over-extension of advertisemant and poor customer relations.

Its called greed and it shapes EVERYTHING in this place.

Todd lieing? Bethesda [censored]ting people? Hah. If you dont expect that, then your naive. Not to say that it should be that way, but more often than not it is.

Bottom line, if your going to say something will be in the game, follow through. Keep your mouth shut if its not the case and dont influence people to believe in possibilities if your not going to actually state that its a possibility, and not a certainty.

I expect Todd to lie and I expect treachery and deceit from the company with the ultimate goal of ripping as much cash from my hands as they possibly can. I only let them because I have nothing else to do so pass the time with. The game is pretty.

I like pretty.

Kill the person who owns the mill or the shop then steal everything and leave nothing for their child/wife or who ever takes over their job.

Do you have a link? Tried to google it with no results.

It's only minimal. After all it's a RPG and not a economy simulation.

I found some evidence of it. Here's what I know:

No all vendor inventories reset in a hard way. For instance, sometimes a vendor will carry 11 iron ingots, and other times they will only have 4 or 5. Same vendor, full cash on hand both times. Also, the cash doesn't reset in a hard way. I've noticed that when "full" of money, some vendors don't always have the same amount they did previously, not exactly anyway. The range seems to be a % of the total.

I've also noticed that there is a regional difference in inventory. When there are lots of ebony ingots in Whiterun, for instance, there are usually none or very few refined malachite "ingots." Likewise, in Solitude, there was plenty of Malachite but no ebony.

So there is variation. The question now is whether or not that is caused, or even influenced, by the player in any way, or whether it's just randomized. Of this, I have no idea.

ive noticed crafting identical item with same base item and same enchants lower its value. end of dynamic economy so far...maybe stores had diffetent amount of cash but hard to notice, and its hardly dynamic imo

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It's subtle.

They specifically said the dynamic economy would be a small, barely noticeable effect.

But subtlety is apparently wasted on some people

Your disappointment is your own fault.

Can someone with a twitter acount please ask todd how this is supposed to work? I would ask him myself but im not modern enough to own a twitter acount

i wonder now... if i kill all vendors except 1 .. will he have more than 790 g and i don't have to jump travel through all the cities to sell my stuff :spotted owl: this might take time if this economy system thing really works

Christ, they messed up on the economy front. Stop vowing to hunt down Howard and slit his throat.

Things like this would only upset me because of the insane amount of lies that went into Oblivion. Seeing more evidence of this in Skyrim shows the Elderscrolls heading down a bad path. However as some already said Todd stated the economy was an ultra light and almost unnoticeable thing so I wasn't expecting much to begin with. I still feel I was lied to on some level with Skyrim, but its not even close to Oblivion. (or something like Fable)

I burnt down a windmill near Solitude. Have no idea if it actually had an effect on the economy though.

The way I understood it was that venders would actually have real NPC suppliers/wholesalers that would come randomly to resupply the shops with goods or take old stock off the venders hands, and these suppliers would have escorts with them on the roads but would still be vulnerable to attack. So far, much to my disappointment I haven't really seen any of these wandering salesman yet, just a bunch of other random NPC's.


I came across a wandering trader or some such name, between Dawnstar and Winterhold. sadly, he was being killed by bandits, but when I got rid of them, and looted him, he had HEAPS of stuff. Mainly food and such, but he existed nonetheless

If you wander outside the cities you can find Khajiit traders. I've never seen them trade with the merchants in the cities, but it's implied they run a lot of the economy in these dark, dangerous times.

I have noticed big fluctuations in how much money some merchants have, but even those weren't in any way consistent.

Perhaps Tod Howard was playing Oblivion with OOO installed and forgot the way the economy behaves was a mod.

This is what I remembered from listening to Todd Howard. Haven't yet tried killing 'em off, though.

Only instance I noticed a shop actually go downhill when I killed one of it's employees was Warmaiden's.

When you kill Adrianne Avenicci her husband says that since her death he has to buy everything from the Khajiit caravans.

When I checked what he had for sale all the stuff he had was pretty lame. No enchanted items, strong armor and weapons and such anymore.

Devs in not implementing some random pre release feature shocker! If i had ￡1 for every time devs have stated something would be included in a game, then not to follow through with it, I wouldn't be sitting here writing sarcastic posts. Instead I'd be sailing the seas in my multi million pound yacht surrounded by bikini clad women. people calling others liars, simply because something wasn't implemented in some video game get over yourselves ffs!

What about `forging the numbers` that you can in the business ledger? Anyone played with that? I imagine that would do something.

I would think there was a way if there was more than one currency like in FNV

Cheers

The economy only exsists so the hero of the game, the one dude that really matters in the entire world, needs to buy and sell crap and get rich to buy frivilous stuff that often isnt even related to saving the world. Any other system on top of that is contrived and entirely fluff. So no, the in game economy is a pretty insignificant feature in the game, and *GASP* I heard Todd Howard say pretty much that on a live interview 2 months before the game was released. Get over it already children.