How do you sabotage the economy like Mr.Howard said? : V - Skyrim

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:08 am

What about `forging the numbers` that you can in the business ledger? Anyone played with that? I imagine that would do something.

Can't do that until you get a quest... Sad that it is "limited" to that single specific use... That would have been a great addition to the game if it could be done at any point in time.

Tax-man's gonna get ya'... Run!

Should have claimed your sale of those 3000 axes to the rebels, and not claimed that you had 3000 dependants for the tax write-off and bonus checks!

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 10:12 am

I've noticed that if I sell all my stuff to belethor in whiterun to the point that I exhaust his gold he closes down for the day.
:shrug:

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:29 am

This thread is monkiness, Beth doesn't care about some bored nerd rage thread.

They just sold dang near 8 million copies!

Make a mod and have a coke and a smile and shut up!

- sincerely the Bethesda developers!

Todd Howard " I'm rich b----"!

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:22 pm

Keeps graphics the same way and concentrate on higher and denser populations and AI

Agreed. I never understood why they choose to sacrifice content just to make the game look better. It's an RPG. Content matters much more than graphics.

.. but whatever. Skyrim is more action-adventure than RPG, so I guess that's the route Bethesda is going to keep taking.

The economy only exsists so the hero of the game, the one dude that really matters in the entire world, needs to buy and sell crap and get rich to buy frivilous stuff that often isnt even related to saving the world. Any other system on top of that is contrived and entirely fluff. So no, the in game economy is a pretty insignificant feature in the game, and *GASP* I heard Todd Howard say pretty much that on a live interview 2 months before the game was released. Get over it already children.

An actual in-game economy being a pretty insignificant feature in an RPG sounds like a joke to me. Are you joking? You're funny, you.

This is not Dante's Inferno. The world wasn't designed for you to run amok in. The world of TES has existed long before our character, and will continue to exist long after. Saying anything that adds complexity and realism to it is "entirely fluff" is beyond just stupid. It's stupid at a divine level. Divine stupidity.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:55 pm

Ya the NPCs are bored waiting all the time, but when the Dragonborn steps in. Church music and bells start ringing.

actually using increased zoom you'll see that stuff really does go down when you are not around. there are some fixed events and some that are not.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 4:57 pm

I wonder what happens if you kill like one the guys carrying logs...

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:00 pm

And spellmaking.
If TES 6 doesnt have spellmaking I will never buy a gamesas game again. Ever.
Not even second-hand.

Boy, you're a big baby. Skyrim is awesome and you can't handle the truth. Who cares if Todd Howard lied, you do too.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:07 pm

Lies and exaggerations.

If one were so bold as to go: "Im sorry guys, we tried, but it didnt work", I would be more lenient.

But since that did not happen: Lies.

Calling it a lie is a bit much, stuff changes during development and most developers can't fit everything in that they wanted to.

I think most gamers need lessons in how games are made.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:06 am

you cant,

they are dumbing it down for kids who have nether played anything but cod. the devs are too lazy to add it.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:04 pm

Calling it a lie is a bit much, stuff changes during development and most developers can't fit everything in that they wanted to.

I think most gamers need lessons in how games are made.

Bethesda is a professional game development company. They should know better than to make promises they can't deliver, and you should know better than to defend them.

Boy, you're a big baby. Skyrim is awesome and you can't handle the truth. Who cares if Todd Howard lied, you do too.

Skyrim isn't awesome. It's not even on par with the previous TES games. Oh, and when Todd Howard lies, it's a big deal. I don't go around, shelling out $60 because of what Merari says.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:26 pm

Can't wait to see what the modders will do with this...seems like a lot is possible, it's just too subtle and limited now.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:20 pm

How to sabotage the economy: take an arrow in the knee and sue the Jarl's pants off for lack of knee coverings on the guard's greaves.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 7:44 pm

Oh I realize this but even the met score was insanely high on this game. Just seeing people talking about the game on different forums. I sometimes wonder if I am playing the same game they are. I just mentioned in another thread about how empty the game world is with generic NPCs, that us discussing things like this & why they ARENT in game, when it is almost 2012...says alot about the effort put into this game. Skyrim was dragon age 2ed basically.

I am still trying to figure out what this radiant AI thing is. Expect alot more considering the time & experience they had to work on this. Feels like an alpha staged fall out 3 game in a game of thrones graphical setting.

Because most people didn't play Morrowind, even Oblivion. Most of the non hardcoe fans didn't pay so much attention to what Todd said and since this is their first TES game, had no expectations. I am one of those people and can honestly say this game blows me away...

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 3:50 pm

How do we let Bethesda know our complaints if there was only some website that let us voice our opinions and Bethesda listens.
Alas Bethesda listening to its players is only a pipe dream.......

And suddenly...

http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/forum/179-skyrim-hardware-and-software-issues-subforums/

Ah, eventually the economy will collapse and all hell will break loose. A system like this cannot last forever.

Actually, that's exactly what it'll do, considering it's the only system that really makes sense, and the only system that has managed to permeate every other economic system, regardless of measures taken to prevent it.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 1:56 pm

I did notice that if you buy something from a shop, the item disappears. Ex. If there is a bow on a desk next to the shop keeper and you buy it, it disappears from the desk, not sure if this happened in Oblivion maybe I never noticed. So I guess you could break into a shop, steal everything laying around and the shop keeper would have nothing to sell when (s)he opens.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:20 am

There is a type of sabotage able to be performed if you do the optional Thieves' Guild quests (Numbers jobs).

They have, however, no effect on the in-game economy what-so-ever.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 11:45 am

Bethesda is a professional game development company. They should know better than to make promises they can't deliver, and you should know better than to defend them.

Skyrim isn't awesome. It's not even on par with the previous TES games. Oh, and when Todd Howard lies, it's a big deal. I don't go around, shelling out $60 because of what Merari says.

It's WAY better than previous TES. You must be playing on a STD TV. :cookie:

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:08 pm

The economy only exsists so the hero of the game, the one dude that really matters in the entire world, needs to buy and sell crap and get rich to buy frivilous stuff that often isnt even related to saving the world. Any other system on top of that is contrived and entirely fluff. So no, the in game economy is a pretty insignificant feature in the game, and *GASP* I heard Todd Howard say pretty much that on a live interview 2 months before the game was released. Get over it already children.

AMEN!!!

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:39 pm

Doesnt forging the business books insides stores have something to do with it?

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:28 pm

Skyrim isn't awesome. It's not even on par with the previous TES games. Oh, and when Todd Howard lies, it's a big deal. I don't go around, shelling out $60 because of what Merari says.

Oblivion is better than Skyrim? :lmao: Right ... Maybe lay off the Skooma mkay?

:whisper: You shouldn't go around doing anything because someone else said so. Makes you look naive.

Seriously people, grow up.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 6:00 pm

lol I love how it seems like all of you guys bought the game just because of the ingame economy even though Todd himself said that it "would be a minor touch"
I swear, half of you just stick to some detail they failed to include and now brand them criminals for their traitorous crimes.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 5:02 am

It's WAY better than previous TES. You must be playing on a STD TV. :cookie:

You do realize Skyrim is an RPG, right? Graphics don't make an RPG great. Content does, and compared to previous games, Skyrim is completely gutted.

Oblivion is better than Skyrim?

Yup, even if only because of spell making (but yeah, Oblivion offered more in my opinion).

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 8:35 am

More BS from Todd Howard. That is all I can tell you. This has a more bland approach of buying and selling then Oblivion did. There is absolutely no disposition at all. The haggling system svcks. (It is in a perk) which is really lame.

I am glad people are starting to see how Oblivion was better than Skyrim. TES is taking a spiral downward trend in their games. So sad to see this happen.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 9:59 am

/sigh

I wonder who to believe in anymore?

Reviewers lie, and coming to a forum for honesty is a bad idea, you don't usually come to a forum to sing praises, but rather to troll or to complaign, because you are the 1%.

» Tue Dec 13, 2011 2:12 pm

Skyrim is completely gutted.

Yup, even if only because of spell making (but yeah, Oblivion offered more in my opinion).

You must be playing a different version of the game than I. Whatever, if you are bashing the quality/content of the entire game based on (as you wrote) the fact that the one feature, which you specifically, like is missing, you need to get your priorities straight. In my opinion.

Sure, it may come down to personal preference (I for one totally loathed the entire Oblivion experience) as to which game you prefer, but claiming that Skyrim offers generally less is outright false. Some things got canned, many others expanded. But fact remains, vanilla Skyrim has many more features built in, that Oblivion only ever got through modding. True story.