What are peoples fascination with proof, one could easily use logic and get to the conclusion 10 times faster.

Maybe if people did that a decade ago, the economy wouldn't be falling in.

same here I would have been defending them like that [censored] above you . but they lied to us and continue to lie. I want an admission. Thats it . That is all I want. Admission of guilt that they could not own up to the wonderful title of elder scrolls.

And tell em we will go Bioware if we dont get spellmaking back.

Yeah but you can kill dragons with her or force push her off a ledge, how cool is that bro?

Are you thinking what I'm thinking.
OCCUPY BETHESDA FORUMS!!!!!!!!!
just kidding lets do something useful

I remember RPG Codex's huge list of promised features for Oblivion that never made it into the final game. Skyrim's list of missing promised features is actually a lot shorter.

Yeah, Todd specifically stated that holds were supposed to have real economies, that screwing up the local lumber mill or farms would effect those economies, and that the strength (or weakness) of the economies would affect local merchants' item availability, quality and price. Obviously that never made it in, but I'm kind of glad it didn't because, honestly, I don't mind static shopkeepers with set prices and replenishing inventories.

Should we start listing all the false claims Todd Howard has made in the past?

[censored] no wed be here for hours

I'll take more spells over spellmaking any day.

The new magic system is more promising, and the only place it lacks is the high end scale. That's a thousand times improvement over the old way, where you had to use spellmaking because anything you did was automatically better than any spell you'd ever find.

For that matter , give me more spell combinations, too. Unique animations for using two different elements, and so on.

are you Todd Howard or a Bethesda Employee in disguise? and in the long run you would have more spells if you can create them...

Sorry, but I'd rather not believe in some ridiculous conspiracy just because some random dude on a forum told some [censored] story.

This. Apparently they did it with oblivion as well.

Funny what can transform from a question of how to toy with the economy.

I don't know if this counts, but if you keep selling to the same guys over and over again, they pay you more money and they carry nicer stuff. Also, if you sell a billion iron daggers to the same guy, the price of iron daggers goes down.

So there is some amount of fluctuation. As long as it does anything at all, then it counts as being "there." So, accusing Bethesda of fraud is a pretty dramatic statement.

Ok, if we got a stream spell for every level and not just novice.
Same for glyphs, all levels above adept.

My heavens, even 3 min of thinking and I have done better than Skyrim magic.
Because lets face it, for an Elder Scrolls game, TES 5 magic is a disgrace.

I just want them to say they could not put in everything they said thy would

You sound sophisticated but in the end your are naive. People are right to be angry. People buy things for the "features" the company told them it will have. If a customer buys the product and then finds out that no such feature is present, then that's actually some kind of fraud.

Are you really, really, really sure about that?
I want to believe.

Its just that I have not found this to be the case.
Stores in places I never go to started stocking ebony at the exact same time as Riverwood, my main base.
Ive only ever seen prices rise as my speechcraft increases, it is hard to be sure about prices dropping for often sold items.

I want to believe, I really do.
Its just that I am very sceptical.
At least, you have to admit that working at the lumber mill does zero squat.

I would support Bethesda with my last breath if they were honest. I would have still bought Skyrim if they said "We couldn't fit it in to the degree we wanted to ,so sorry for that"

What economy?

I wish. At least then I'd be getting paid for dealing with the forums.

I'm serious.

- Make damage for spells scale similar to weapons, so the master spells don't hit an artificial ceiling.
- Re-add spells that give people alternatives to other skills for mages: Alteration's lockpick spells are a biggie here. I wouldn't mind Feather back either, but that went over to Alchemy.



Actually, I'm fairly sure things are subject to change. If it said "sabotage the economy" on the back of the box and you didn't get it that's one thing, but a blurb from an interview when the game is still in development is a whole other deal entirely.

Yes, you have a right to be angry about some things. However, at least try to act mature about it. There's no need to act like someone throwing a temper tantrum. I assume most people here are more-or-less advlts, and should be capable of acting like it.

The feature has to be present, but it doesn't have to be present in the way people's imaginations tell them it would be. There is a slightly dynamic economy to each hold. Buying and selling large quantities changes the prices of the goods that you buy. Also, the demeanor of vendors goes up depending on how much you buy and sell. So, the feature is there, technically.


And there is this, too. There's quite a big difference between an actual, stated feature and some pre-release puffery.
Besides, at the time Todd said he could manipulate the economy, he probably could. Some things get removed because they make the game svck.

Todd Howard never said the game would have a full blown economy. If I'm remembering correctly, he said something like, "It's a small thing we added and we don't expect most players to notice it." The amount of misinformation in this thread is actually kind of ridiculous, and it's pathetic how everyone is jumping on the Bethesda hate train over something like this.

I have personally noticed differing economies between holds, such as certain items selling for different prices between cities. Of course I don't know what exactly affects the prices, but once the CK comes out we'll know for sure.

It was more than a blurb. He talked about it in every interview from E3 onward.

This. I'm glad the live economy didn't made it. Think about it: what's the first thing you'll do if you find out that the merchant in Whiterun doesn't have the money to buy your loot because of recession?

• Go to another town and sell loot there
  
• Gear up the mill, chop the wood, boost the economy for days so the merchant have the money

Most will choose A, and lots of em will use Fast Travel to boot!

But honestly, yeah, they should at least try not to say too much. This is what happens when they do. I have yet to see how someone could get replaced by a relative or some sort. For all I know, most of the people in Skyrim have no relative save for clans