I always say "Ki-zar" because I like the way it sounds. Why is there a difference? Is there a main difference? Haha, just wondering.

See-za is the "correct" pronounciation.

There have been four prominent pronunciations over time. See section #2 on http://www.ai.uga.edu/mc/latinpro.pdf page.

So why do all of Caesar's Legion pronounce it "Ki-zar"? Just something I've always noticed but never addressed.

"Ki-zar" is the correct one I believe, and "See-zer / or see-zar" is how most of us say it in US.

That is a very neat PDF. :foodndrink:

Ahh, interesting! Thank you.

Actually in Latin its pronounced Ki-zar. See-za is an incorrect pronunciation adopted by the english language.

"Ki-zar"

Ave, True to Ki-Zar!

I use both pronunciations, it just depends on whether or not I've decided to put a bullet in his face.

Kee-zar. (or Kye-zar or whatever)

Pronounciations of Finnish and Latin are very much alike and I can pronounce Caesar as I would any Finnish word and it sounds correct in Latin (I've studied Latin anyhow, so pronunciation has never been an issue)

I always say "Kye-sar" now, and people look at me weird.

I'll have a Ki-Zar salad please! (gets people every time)

I didn't like that unit, sir! Too many numbers, boring, unoriginal, et ketera.(is that even right)

Aw Way, Aw Way. Aw Way Maria!(people in my town say it Aw Vay)

C's in Latin are hard. "ae" makes the English "I" sound. V's make the W sound. = Ah Way, True to Kai-sar.

I just say Caesar because it's how I've always said it, however when I refer to Caesar in New Vegas I call him Kaye-sar.

I like to say the "Ki-Zar" one because it's fun to say. But I usually stick to the "See-Zer" one. I can't imagine me or anyone else saying "Ki-Zar Salad". :3

Wrong. It's a Latin name, not English. In Latin, when the language was spoken, it was "kay-zar"
Even the Legion are slightly wrong by saying "ki-zar"
But that's at least much closer than the truly awful English mangling: "see-zar".

Actaully

It is correct in modern english pronuciation Si-zer/see-zar howerver you want to say it.

Classic Latin would be Kay-zar, but as that is not used where english is spoken see-zar is the correct way. I'm pretty sure in the Legion they want Ki-zar so that is correct in New Vegas.

Ladies and germs, it has since been brought to my attention, by a old friend of mine who studied Latin for years, that even Caesar's Legion have an incorrect pronunciation of his name!!

In Latin, the combination of the letters 'ae' was written as one letter, '?', so we had 'C?sar'.

The '?' was pronounced like the 'ey' in 'hey'

So, C?sar was pronounced ['kay-zar].

Still, the Legion aren't too far off with [ki-zar]

Still a million times better than [see-zar], IMHO

Thanks for reading. :fallout:

I guess I'll mention it again. Even though Caesar just can't get it right.

In the modern english pronunciation, which Fallout would use, it is pronounced Si-zar, like Si-zar salad. So Si-zar would actually be the right way to say it. But as Caesar wanted it to be Latin, he made it Ki-zar, but that is wrong too as you pointed out.

Quite correct, section 2. But to really understand, you needs section 3, the first and the second comma.
That's why I would disagree on how JULIUS is phonetically rendered, not to mention how's CAESAR rendered in section 2.
But it's still a good compromise...
Cheers!

Ok. Let me try to explain.
The "U" sound, original, is very close to e.g. (exempli gratia|freely given as an example): "ooze" or "boulevard" (first words containing "U" sound, coming to my mind).
And it (a vowel) never changes, no matter what precedes or follows.
As a consequence, trying to render JULIUS as YOO-LEE-US is phonetically wrong. If you decide "OO" is the sound, "US" has to be rendered as "OOS".
Sorry. CAESAR sounds as K-AY-S-AR, where AY sound as in "Chelsey". I would spell it as KE-sar.

But in the end, it comes down to languages being a living entity. They change, they evolve. There isn't such a thing as the "perfect pronunciation". One true citizen of the world accepts diversity or it drifts away from the whole.
Double Cheers!

You generally don't translate people's names.
For example, if you were talking about someone called John, and you were using Spanish, you wouldn't call him "Juan". That's not his name, he was named in English.
Similarly, Caesar wasn't named in English, so you shouldn't Anglicise his name. [Kay-zar] is correct, [see-zar] is a corruption of his name.

Does it really matter? Really does it? There are other ways to pronounce his title/name. I pronounce it as Caesar.

People in the game and even in the Legion pronoounce it different ways. The Devs wanted it that way.

Also Latin is pretty much a dead language anyways. Unless you are being a doctor, lawyer or a plant expert, Latin isn't really all that important. After a nuclear war and 200 years, I am sure people arn't going to pronounce all the Lantin just right like it was spoken 2000 years ago.

People don't even speak English the same way it was spoken only a hundred years ago.

Only that CAESAR is a title. Not a proper name.
Cheers.

I know how it's pronounced in English ... that's not the point. The Legion are purposefully trying to be as similar to Rome as they can. They say [kenturion] for centurion, for example, when they're speaking English.
So, [see-zar] wouldn't be right for them, even when speaking English.
IN their attempt to sound Roman, they should have used [kay-zar]
I say "they". I really mean Obsidian. Their research was off.

Anyway, this post is really only to inform anyone interested of the existence of 3 different forms of this name.