What I find funny, is that a boob may be partially exposed so long as it's only one part of it at a time. Cleavage, sides, from the bottom, these are all perfectly acceptable by society, but if you do them all at once you're crossing the line. Especially if you expose that middle part, which we all know is the cause for polio in Africa! :ahhh:
Yet, male boobs are fine, nobody gets angry at them. Maybe body hair has this soothing effect on people...? I don't know...

I'm well old enough by now, personally, that I'm not too worried about this issue. (Plus, videogame graphics are only recently reaching a level of fidelity where there's any real point in having nudity...)

I can't say it really bothers me when I encounter it in my games, but also there's a time and place for everything.

In regards to Fallout: New Vegas - I guess it is a little bit weird that Raiders all have clean underwear when you're going around after a battle scavenging their dead bodies - but I also think it might be a bit odd if you left the scene of a battle with a pile of nvde and dismembered corpses behind you (and yeah - for better or worse, that's certainly something the Jack Thompson's of the world would get behind in a heart-beat.) At the very least, that's likely a bit of controversy they're not necessarily looking for.

Sure, I'd imagine that having some strip clubs in New Vegas makes sense - but scantily-clad strippers gyrating on a stage is going to get the point across, and add that degree of seediness we're looking for, just as well as a pair of naked boobs. By that same token, six scenes in games make sense when they're warranted (and not just tossed in for their own sake.) But that also doesn't inherently mean there's any need for nudity, per se, either.

I guess it really comes back around to the old concept of "mature content" meaning more than just adding more gore, strong language, and some pixelated boobs. Nudity doesn't necessarily make a game more mature - especially when it's handled in a manner that makes it look like it was dreamed up by a group of 14-year-old boys.

If it would increase sales and have no backlash then Beth would do it. That's not the case though so they won't.

i think thats what mods are for

Honestly, I don't care. If it's included, then alright. If not, oh well.

But PLEASE.. as long as it's not as bad as Dante's Inferno.

EDIT: And does any one else think it's strange that everyone in the game has Vault Underwear?

Ok yes I do find its strange.
But myself if I did not have clean undies I would go completly raider on someone.
But I think nuddy npc's may be realistic but what is the point we all have imagination and most have experience as this game is for 18+ people so its not needed. Except for truth to details.

Oh well I was thinking the Enclave just drove around throwing underwear at people who couldn't be in a vault o.o

Daggerfall had nekkid NPCs, under their clothes that is.

However in this day and age, it is better to keep the pixel nipbles under wraps. Someone might you know, get a feeling from seeing them. I don't think that offering the Textures and Meshes as an age related unlockable will do anything but get the Prudes and Those Who Know What's Best For You all up in arms.

Now, being Vegas, one would expect to see some Naughty Bits somewhere in the town at some point. However we have to appeal to those who don't play games and dictate what our morality should be when we do play them. So, to that end, they need to come up with some better underwear.

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Personally, I would be fine with nudity, as would many other mature advlts. The problem is that the news media seems to feel we are all children and that it is their job to tell us what to do. >.< Now, I'm not saying that people should be walking around naked. I'm just saying that we need to stop stepping around the issue and acting like it's a grenade. Nowadays in America, it seems that six is avoided as a topic except for in six Ed in school. I mean, come on. We're all human beings. We all have 'parts'. Why is it 'bad' in current society that this is reflected in video games?

Anywho, rant over.

Bottom line: Eh. I'm fine with it either way, but it would be really nice if we could change our underwear every now and then. I mean, wearing the same undies for 200+ days in Fallout 3? Ewww....

I think FO3 did it well. Keep it clean and let the modders do the dirty work. Some are really good at it, Clover is now a babe.

Gotta admit youre both right. Just thinking now, that all the underwear was Vault issue (i.e military unisix grade issue). Understandable on Enclave and Vault personel. But for a waster a bra would end up being more 50's style. But even more uncomfortable with extra rusty wires for support. Or very loose and bouncy more akin to an unwired bikini. But unless they make different naked avatars depending on what faction they're from. It will probably be left as outfits to don like sixy sleepwear was.
P.S on the bikini issue if you think nudity will create uproar add a baywatch slo mo run to animation in NV and the censors will come running.

Actually, I think video games help people see the consequences of their actions (at least the more mature people. I did hear of a case where a single 13 year old boy stole his grandmothers car. When police stopped him on the road, he said he say it on Grand Theft Auto. But I think this is more the fault of the parents, for letting a 13 year old, and especially a immature 13 year old, play a Mature rated game. I mean, I played M rated games [Halo 2 ftw?] since I was like 14, and I never felt a need to go out and kill people because I saw it in a game).In video games, if I see someone being hurt because of my actions, especially if it was indirect, I feel bad. I don't go ''Good, good! Your pain pleases me!'' or anything. In the same way, seeing nudity in a video game will not turn is into six fiends. Admittedly, there will be some people who will do stupid stuff because they see it on TV or in a game. But then there have been and always will be stupid people as long as the human race lives. I mean, there are people that thought it would be a smart idea to re-make the [censored] movie in their backyard, and people who try to rob banks with a police officer sitting 5 feet away. Unfortunately, these idiots get a lot more news time than all us who don't act like idiots, and then people assume that a lot of people are like the idiot.

So, until we mature as a species in our thinking, especially that people can control themselves if exposed to violence or nudity on a television, then we're doomed t oa PG-13 existence. Se la ve. All we can do is go along with it... with a high powered rifle. :gun: :ahhh:

Heavy Rain had nudity, RDR had a six scene, the only problem I see the public having with nudity in this game will be all the people who will whip out the rippers at go at the nvde bodies, it's gonna happen. The only way the game will get in trouble is the most extreme things that people think to do, even if the devs didn't intend on it. Nudity shouldn't be a problem in games, I haven't seen any games recently get into much trouble, but maybe I'm not paying that much attention. Ireland doesn't seem to have a thing with putting video games on the news like the US does. The only game I know that's been banned in Manhunt 2.

Personally I feel that yes nudity should be in games (not over the top though) however i don't think it matters too much as it's pretty much a none issue for me.

Unfortunatly we have to wait for videogames in the media and public to appear to have become mature before what movies do can be done in games, remember this is a very new industry vs music, art, movies etc.

However my issue is the way underwear is handled i think it should randomize for people since everyone wearing the same stuff is foolish and the raiders should have their own custom set which radomize. Though i do have to wonder why we can't sleep with certain people for info and stuff like in Fo1 and 2 (though i hardly used it). I also wonder if they'll do a tasteful six thing when you sleep with the prosttute (assuming a nova char is in the game) like Mass Effect, and maybe make it skipable or optional? Regardless though i really hope they have radom underwear at least.

This i believe would be the best compramise no nudity, and should keep the rating down and make it more realistic when you take peoples armour or sleep with a prosttute.

P.S The mods for underwear didn't solve the issue just made everyone wear the same thing/nothing depending on your mod of choice.

That's my 2 cents/pence on the issue.

You really don't understand how the engine works do you? In order to randomize the underwear you would have to randomize the body mesh. Not impossible but it's not something Obsidian signed up for. They have made a lot of tweaks to the engine and honestly this issue is way at the bottom of the list for priority.

I have no problem with nudity in a game, if it "makes sense", but I sure don't need to see anything particularly (pormo)graphic to get a point across. A tasteful little clip, such as the once-controversial Mass Effect bit, is fine, lets you know it's sixytime for the characters and is hardly scandalous. A topless dancer in a strip club, or g-strings... meh. They are part of the background, and it's a mature game. "mature content" doesn't necessarily mean naughty content - it means mature themes, ideas - at least that is what I hope for when I buy a Mature rated game.

As for the global perma-undies issue... that barely crosses my radar as I play. Silly, yes. But it's simply easier and more practical to go that route, if you have a game where armor can be looted off of bodies. But it doesn't really matter to me. I am not leering at piles of bodies after I put down a bunch of raiders. I'm looting and moving on.

Perma-undies are fine. I wouldn't want to loot underwear off of a Raider. Nudity is fine as long as it's natural and not another Aphrodite orgy if you've played God of War III. It'll all be fine if when it happens the whole moment can't be succinctly described by "Boobies!"

I'm perfectly fine with nudity in fiction as long as it's used under an appropriate context, in fact, if you have a scene where nudity would make sense and where sensoring it would not, I'd rather go with the nudity. I'm not offended by the sight of nudity, of either six. It's just a natural part of life, and honestly, I see nudity every day when I bathe or need to take off my clothes for any other reason, so if I don't mind seeing myself naked I hardly feel the need to object to seeing a fictional character in the same situation.

I only want nudity where its appropriate, though, if nudity adds nothing more to a particular fictional work than a bit of fanservice, than I don't need it. When I'm watching a movie, I don't find myself wanting to see a gratuitous shower scene if it doesn't in any way contribute to the plot. If you have a scene with nudity in your story that could easily be cut out and would not in any way negatively impact the experience, then there's no reason for it to be there, this is no less true for video games than for any other fictional medium, there's no reason for nudity to be in the game if it won't, in some way, benefit the game experience. As to whether it would in Fallout, it depends how it's used.

I think Obsidian will just decide to stay on the safe side and just go with permanent underwear on all characters, though, it's just safer, that way, sure, some games have gotten away with it, but that doesn't mean that all will. For one thing, most games with nudity in them tend to have it on a few select characters or in a few select scenes, whereas in New Vegas, given how the equipment system works, you could probably take the clothes off any character, and potentially put the corpses into compromising poses, I'd imagine that would generate a slightly different response from what just flashing a nipble in a cutscene might. And until video games are better established as a medium that isn't only for children in the public's eye, it's probably wiser to just not take that big a risk. And it won't bother me too much if I can't take my character's underwear off in a game, just because the game is M rated doesn't mean it needs to have everything that wouldn't pass in a T rated game, and I'm sure modders will cover that part if Obsidian doesn't, they did for Morrowind, and Oblivion, and Fallout 3, and I'd imagine pretty much any game that has a strong modding community and has any circumstances where nudity could fit in (And in some cases, circumstances where it really has no business being shown.) have had some form of nvde mod made for them. Certainly, nudity isn't something I expect when I buy a new game, even if it is rated M.

I've seen enough naked bodies in real life to enjoy the presence of underwear. That said, nudity does not bother me in the least but do think leaving something to the imagination is a good thing. My imagination sure improves what is by a long shot.

At the same time, I have no need of nudity in a video game since it does not make my game play better or more fun or the story better and they could never come close to pixelating the wonderful parts of the male as beautifully as my imagination can. :hubbahubba:

As for raiders on the suits they have duct tape in an X over the "bits that can not be shown". As item based undies. So I can deal with each outfit having unique features rather than each npc having a choice of undergarments.

Personaly I dont care and considering how EVIL they can be id bet the nvde scene would involve a horde of supermutants mooning the brotherhood... all done in slow mo.

I don't need nudity in the game. Can't say I want it either. But I do want sixual themes, suggestive dialogues and all that, you know? I'd like if people could differ between nvde NPC's and sixual interactions with NPC's.

I say let it all out. My parents don't care, haha. Screw you ESRB!

The problem is that it does ~for a few. I'm completely against this policy of sanitized gameplay for all (and would see it abolished), but the fact is the military has made use of this in the past because it works to desensitize. There are teenagers that don't comprehend that getting shot (or hit by a car) will actually hurt them ~Where did they get that idea? Games and TV!
We've all seen young advlts that drive like they learned by playing GTA.
Kids are learning ~from everything, at that age (and its not all conscious). Playing a game will not make you violent, but on a national scale there will always be a few individuals that are effected adversely for their own reasons. (the ones you ultimately see on the news).


Diablo had nudity; There were topless succubi, and the butcher's lair was piled with nvde men and women in various states of dismemberment; and impaled on pikes. Diablo also has a writhing chained up woman (nvde) ~but its not used on any map. In this game's case the sprites fit the setting and story well. and there was a point to it; and it was rated M (as it should be). The funny shame is that Planescape was not rated M (and it has a 25' nvde statue of Anna ).

**Some may say that "yeah but Diablo sprites are too small to care" 'cept that Diablo (unlike D2) allows you to zoom in by pressing the 'Z' key.

The main issue with Nudity in games is the same issue with Nudity in Movies. Most of the time it just comes across as Gratuitous. As in, let's stick some boobies in this scene/cell as it has nothing else going for it. It is rare to see a movie where the nudity or tittilation makes sense. One example of a scene where it makes sense is in the movie "As good as it gets" Helen Hunt's character has to run over to her lovers house for some urgent need, and it is raining. Well, she arrives at the house and realizes her sweater is wet and she is not wearing a bra. Now, yes it is an eye candy moment, but at least her situation fit in the scene and made sense in the scheme of the movie for her to be where she is and not wearing the proper clothing for the weather. She had to run out of the house unprepared.

In the games like the Witcher, the female NPCs did wear low cut dresses, but that kind of fit the style of clothing for the game. So, it made sense. The six scenes in that game kind of moved the story along, as the PC had to romance the NPCs to get a date. However, even then, if the six was left completely out of that game, the game would still be what it is. It seemed like the six scenes were just added in because they could add them in.

So, I think it is very hard for most games to have Nudity and have it seem like it belongs in the game to further the story or the plot or the quest.

Just so you know, I am not above Gratuitous six. It's just leave it in the movies that I watch for that purpose, like American Pie, where the movie is about six.