Hrormir, who is he exactly?

Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:50 pm

Well I've made a better version IMO for Oblivion of his staff, and a member asked me who Hrormir is, so I thought I would make a thread here and hopefully get fast answers or you could http://www.elderscrolls.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=615202

Thanks in advance! :D
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 10:48 am

No idea. Never heard of the guy before Oblivion.

But there is http://til.gamingsource.net/obbooks/song_hrormir.shtml:

Hrormir
Son of Hrorgar
Summoned to the Court of Vjindak,
Son of Vjinmore, King of Evensnow.

"Mighty caster of magic,
I charge thee to go to Aelfendor,
For its hoary Warriors do threaten my Land
And bring forth their cousin Demons
To terrify my People."
Hrormir
Son of Hrorgar
Heard the Words of Vjindak Evensnow.

"By Icestaff,
Surely I would help thee
But I have already a Quest to drink
Twelve Flagons of Mead in one Hour,
And then to bed four Wenches,
Twice each.
So I must with grace decline."
The King he did not smile
At Hrormir and his jolly Spirit.

"By thine Honor
Must thou aidest my Cause
For must thou takest up the Sword
Of thy Companion Darfang
Who took the Quest and failed."
Hrormir laughed.

"Now I know thou jest.
My boon Mate Darfang wouldst not fail.
There be no finer Bladesman.
If thou chargest him, he wouldst not fall."

"I did not say he fell.
He joined the Dark Kings of Aelfendor
And by doing so dishonored
Himself and thee, his Friend."

Hrormir could not believe the Words,
And yet, he knew Eversnow
Didst not lie.
So for twenty Days and three rodeth he
To the Land of Night, the Kingdom of Fear,
Where the Peasants ever carried Candles
Knowing what Evil awaiteth them
Should they stray beyond the Glow.
The Sovereigncy of three Dark Kings:
Aelfendor.
There, Torch in Hand, didst Hrormir
Pass through haunted Countryside
And frightened Villages,
And through the black Gates
Of the blacker Castle of Aelfendor.
The three Dark Kings didst sneer
At the sight of mighty Hrormir
And summoned they their Champion
Darfang the Blade.

"My boon Companion!"
Hrormir called in the Hall of Night.

"I dare not trust my Eyes,
For then I wouldst believe
That thou hast joined with Evil,
And turned thy Way from Honor
And Brotherhood!"

"Hrormir!"
Darfang the Blade didst cry.

"If thou dost not go now,
One of us must die, for I hate thee!"
But Hrormir was battle ready,
And in the echoing Halls of Night
The Blade of Darfang
And the Staff of Hrormir
Didst strike again and yet again.
Mighty Warriors and Mages both,
The boon Companions now Foes,
Shook Mundus with their War.
They might have fought for a Year
If there were Sun in Aelfendor
To mark Time,
And either Hrormir or Darfang
May verily have won.
But Hrormir saweth through the Dark
The Tears in the Eyes of his former Friend,
And then he saweth the Shadow of Darfang
Wert not his own.
And so with Icestaff, he did strike
Not Darfang, but his Shadow, which cried.

"Hold, Mortal Man!"

The Shadow becameth the Hag,
Bent and twisted, in her Cloak and Hood.
From her faceless Shadows, she hissed.

"Mortal Man called Hrormir
The Soul of thy boon Companion
Is my Plaything,
But I will take thine in trade,
For though ye both have strong Arms,
Thou hast the more clever Mind
Which my Sons the Dark Kings need
For a Champion of Aelfendor."
Hrormir the brave didst not take a Breath
Or pause before he boldly said.

"Shadowy Hag, release Darfang,
And thou mayst use me as thou will."
The Hag didst laugh and freed Darfang.

"To save thine Honor this thou hast done,
But now thou must be without Honor
Mortal Man, as the Champion
Of the Dark Kings, my Heirs of Gray Maybe,
Thou must help them divide Aelfendor,
And love me,
Thy Shadowy Hag and thy Mistress well."

For his loss of Honor,
And his dear Friend's Sacrifice,
Noble Darfang prepared to take his Dagger
And plunge it in his good Heart,
But Hrormir stayed his Brother's Hand and whispered.

"No, boon Companion,
Wait for me at the Village Banquet Hall."
And then did Darfang the Blade leave the Castle
While Hrormir took the withered Claw
Of the Hag, and pressed it to his Lips.

"Shadowy Hag, to thee I pledge
To only honor thy black Words
To turn my back on Truth
To aid thy Dark Kings' Ambition
To divide their Inheritance fairly
To love thee
To think thee beautiful."
Then to the Chamber in the Heart of Night
Hrormir and the Hag did retire
Kissed he there her wrinkled Lips
And her wrinkled, sagging briasts,
For ten Days and Nights and three did Hrormir
And his Icestaff
Battle thus.

Then Sweet Kynareth blew honeyed Winds
O'er the Hills and Forest Glens of Aelfendor,
And the Caress of warm blooded Dibella
Coaxed the Blossoms to wanton Display
So that Aelfendor became a Garden
Of all the Senses.
The frightened Servants of the Dark Kings
Woke to find there was naught to fear
And through the once dark Streets of the Village
Came the Cries of Celebration.
In the Banquet Hall of the Village
Hrormir and his boon Companion Darfang
Embraced and drank of rich Mead.
The Shadowy Hag too was smiling,
Sleeping still in her soft Bed,
Until the morning Sun touched her naked Face
And she awoke, and saw All,
And knew All saw her.
And she cried out:
"Mortal Man!"

Night fell fast upon the Land
As the Hag flew into the Banquet Hall
Casting blackest Darkness in her Wake
But all the Celebrants still could see
Her Anger
In her monstrous Face
And they shook with Fear.
The Hag had said the Kingdom was
To be divided among her Heirs.
But Aelfendor had been kept whole
While her Children divided,
Drawn and quartered.
Hrormir was mightily amused.
He swallowed his Laughter
In his Mead,
For none should laugh outright
At the Daedra Lord Nocturnal.
Without her gray Cowl of shadowed Night,
Her hideous Face forced the Moons
To hide themselves.
Hrormir the mighty did not quail.

"Wherest be thine Hood, shadowy hag?"

"Mortal Man hast taken it from me unaware.
When I awoke, my Face unmasked,
My Kingdom cast into the Light,
My Dark King Heirs in Pieces cast,
And here, my Champion smiles.
Yet in truth, thou kept thy Promise truly,
To never keep thy Promise true."

Hrormir
Son of Hrorgar
Bowed to the Hag, his Queen.

"And evermore,
'Til thou releaseth me, will I serve thee so."

"A clever Mind in a Champion
Is a much overvalued Trait."
The Hag released Hrormir's Soul
And he released her Hood.
And so in the Light of darkest Dark,
She left Aelfendor evermore.
And after drinking twelve Flagons of Mead,
And bedding four Wenches
Twice each,
Did Darfang return to Eversnow
With Hrormir
Son of Hrorgar.


Here's a summary of the song, for the lazy readers:
The cowl was also told stolen in one amusing song called "Song of Hrormir." Nocturnal was tricked by Hrormir in order to save his old companion Darfang. She traded Darfang's soul for the service (by keeping his soul) of Hrormir, so that he would assist her followers dividing the kingdom of Aelfendor, but in the end the kingdom was left intact while Nocturnal's followers were divided. And the Gray Cowl of Nocturnal was also taken by Hrormir. To get the cowl back, Nocturnal was forced to release Hrormir's soul and left with nothing to gain.

(Taken from http://til.gamingsource.net/book_daedra/index1.shtml.)
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 5:27 am

I've read it, but it does not explain who or where he was born/served... But thanks anyway! :D
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:12 pm

Well, he was a Nord mage, and he tricked Nocturnal.

Aelfendor and its Dark Kings is most certainly the land now known as Cyrodiil, before the Nedic kicked the Ayleids out.

Hrormir and Darfang may have been avatars of Pelinal and Morihaus.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:09 pm

Well, he was a Nord mage, and he tricked Nocturnal.

Aelfendor and its Dark Kings is most certainly the land now known as Cyrodiil, before the Nedic kicked the Ayleids out.

Hrormir and Darfang may have been avatars of Pelinal and Morihaus.

Hrormir = Pelinal

Darfang = Morihaus

Correct?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:57 pm

That would be the association, if they are indeed aspects of these two immortals.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:30 am

I doubt that Hrormir is the Avatar of Pelinal, as Pelinal was always said to use his sword, never did it mention the Ice Staff. Also I doubt again that it would be him, as he stole from Nocturnal, something that an honourable Knight like Pelinal would not do.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:53 am

Perhaps their meant to be inverses/opposites?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:59 pm

If he stole her cowl wouldn't that make him Emer Dareloth?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:37 am

If he stole her cowl wouldn't that make him Emer Dareloth?



Seeing as he gave it back, I don't believe so. Nocturnal seems to have trouble keeping her clothes on...
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:07 pm

I highly doubt this has any thing to do with Pelinal Whitestrake.

Reasons being:

1. He is referenced as a "...Mighty caster of magic..." something Pelinal was not.

2. We have hardly any evidence this was even remotely in the same time period.

3. "By Icestaff, Surely I would help thee" if it was Pelinal, he would of gone by his sword, also Pelinal did not even have an Ice staff.

4. "Mighty Warriors and Mages both" the "mage" here is a refernce of Hrormir, and Pelinal was not renowned as a mage.

I could go on and on about the giant holes in this idea that Hrormir is the Avatar of Pelinal, but really it is pointless.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 9:02 am

He retired from the Mages Guild and lives in the Imperial City.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 2:30 pm

Hrormir = Pelinal

Darfang = Morihaus


That would be the association, if they are indeed aspects of these two immortals.


The other way around, Hrormir was the boon companion, the observing shield thane, ect. Although I'd have to give the song a good read to be certain.

TOYB:

Those things don't really matter, they have to act in similar ways for similar ideals.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 6:43 am

Hmm...I've just read it again, and I'm not sure, but I think it is another Enantiomorph and not Pelinal and Morihaus. Nocturnal here is the Female Principle and Hrormir and Darfang the two halves of the Enantiomorph if I am thinking correctly.
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 3:24 pm

Well, I read this thread in the hopes someone had figured out that it appears maybe the writers made a boo-boo in the storyline. But, the thread went way out to Betelgeuse on a tangent and answered nothing for me. Sadwands. :(

So! I will add my two cents worth. My interest in "who the heck is this Hrormir fella? *I'm* the real Arch-mage, not him!" came about after already becoming the Arch-mage and then deciding I would complete the Thieve's Guild quest chain with the same character.

The quest specifically tasks the player with stealing Hrormir's staff (benign enough). But then it tasks them with planting a fake note in "Hrormir's nightstand". I got there and I was thinking..."Hey! That's *my* nightstand! Who the heck is Hrormir? Am I not the Arch-mage any more? How long was I gone in The Shivering Isles anyway?? SheogoraaaAAAAATH!!!!!" But no, everyone still greets me as Arch-mage (except the annoying guards at the Arcane University who seem stuck on the idea that I am still "the Arcane Univeristy's newest addition"....so hard to find good help these days...).

So, there appear to be conflicting stories here.

1) Hrormir was a legend about whom songs and tales have been written. He no longer lives in mortal form and is not the current Arch-mage and possibly never was.

2) Hrormir is the current Arch-mage and owns a unique mage's staff of questionable utility.

3) Hrormir was once a member of the Arcane University but has since retired (a suggestion proposed in an earlier post of this thread).

This raises some questions:

a) Has anyone ever seen Hrormir? Well, he certainly hasn't been seen by me in my copious time spent at the University. He certainly made it easy to steal an item a mage isn't supposed to be caught without. Don' these guys understand the Jedi code??

B) Is Hrormir the "new" Arch-mage? When was I ousted? Why do I still have unlimited access to the Arch-mage's quarters and all its possessions? Who has been sleeping in my bed? Did I like it? Will they call me in the morning?

c) Is Hrormir even alive? Was he ever alive? Was he a character in a previous installment of Elder Scrolls? I have only played Oblivion.

d) Will Gilligan and gang *ever* get off that island? Do they want to?

Can anyone shed light on this for us all?

Perhaps the Arch-mage's quarters and all contents are considered to be rentals from Hrormir himself? When do I get billed?
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Post » Fri May 27, 2011 4:10 am

He always seemed like a cross between Beowulf and Ulysses.
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