Well, you are the chosen one. Do you remember the Emperor telling you in Oblivion about how the stars were linked to your destiny? You will change Tamriel. I find this thing about the stars logical from the lore and amazing.

Yup, they must be doing something with those lazy D-pads. Oh the star system just made levelling up alot less boring. oh and they said they are preserving the birth signs, not discarding them.

I don't agree, but I fixed it so your statement would actually make sense.

I am so worried I'm about to throw up right now. What has happened to the map? When you go into the menu and go to the map its not like morrowind/oblivion anymore? Please some explain this to me. What's this looking at he sky crap?

OK so birthsigns and the preset classes are gone I can cope with this but what of attributes? Ok so we have lots of perks, lovely, but an RPG without attributes is so weird to me. I know people say they'll exist but will be hidden but we don't know that for sure do we. I find it worrying that they haven't mentioned attributes at all. Will the races have different stats? Nords are strong and have a stat to show it, like 50 strength, while Khajits have high speed skill, speed 50 for example. I really hope attributes exist but can't be seen in menu screens or something. How can they make races 'feel different' if they don't have different attributes/stats etc?

Why can't I press "M" and get to the map? Why do I have to reach for the Tab button and then press the "down arrow" or have to do the added step of pressing a freaking directional button? That's idiotic. It's the same annoying crap that was wrong with Oblivion's system. And I have to do that every single time I want to check a quest, or my skills, or a piece of equipment? Ridiculous. And we lose hotkeys? The only thing that made Oblivion's UI tolerable... :brokencomputer:

That's enough to get me not to buy the game. DarnifedUI can't fix that.

Oh, it's just PR talk. Bottom line: The map is now in 3D and your skill menu looks really shiny.

Even that is a flawed argument. TES has always been an Action RPG, of course it's going to have action in it, I don't see how people think that because they are making the combat more engaging destroys the RPG aspect....

They will. But consider this:

Strength = your chosen melee skill for damage, Stamina to affect encumberance
Endurance = Stamina
Intelligence = Magicka
Willpower = Magicka (better mages can resist magic better themselves)
Speed = Athletics
Agility = your chosen weapon skill (including Marksman) for chances to stagger or be staggered etc.
Personality = Speechcraft (we see the "aft" on the left of the screenshot; Mercantile probably mixed into it)
Luck = invisible, same for all characters, but magic effects can alter it
Racial and Starsign attribute bonuses = constant spell effects that boost the appropriate things listed above

IMO once you see this it becomes clear how easy it is to cut attributes without negatively effecting the game. It also illustrates how superfluous attributes were before.

The article completely ignored presenting ANY new information what so ever. It was almost entirely a copy-paste from the magazine.


Not really... They said it is what it is. The sky doesn't just appear over your view or something. Your character will actually look into the sky and then the menu will appear. Sure, it IS shiny and nice and all that (and doesn't technically have an effect on the world), but its much more immersive than floating screens or ye olde medieval clipboard.

Then read a book, because clearly you don't care about the "game" part of the game.

So looking up at the sky is just in the skill menu?

Because the sky's are marked with numberless sparks, each a sign. Nah it's about perks and skills, you choose a perk a star lights up.

It doesn't look good.
I wonder how we are going to control the menus at our PCs with our mice.
It's too consolistic. :wacko:
But except the way it will be controled,did that article just said that there are only 3 birthsigns ? :ermm:

Yep. I could live with that, and with the explanation that it's all manned by perks, but :


Bingo. Making "character creation" news top priority. I love the learn by doing approach, but I want to ponder whether I pick a Khajit or a Nord for other reasons beyond mere aesthetics.

It's good for the people outside of America who have the GI magazine (and the others who don't in America) . Just a bummer on the people who do have the magazine

No no no. 3 nebulae, multiple birthsigns within each nebula.

While a good story is nice and lore brings flavor to the world if i'm only in it for the story I'll just go read a book or watch a movie instead.

Too me game mechanics are very important in a game, and maybe bethesda has changed it for the better but looking at oblivion i'm not really keeping my hopes that high.

It would basically mean they're tearing out the RPG elements and making it purely action adventure. Not saying they are. Just explaining.

But what if I'm not playing as a strict warrior/mage/thief and I'm leveling up all skills and mixing perks?

That's a pretty weak reason to not buy a game because you have to press ONE more button. It's just selfish to ask the devs to take time to rewrite the menu system instead of working on a different aspect of the game so you only have to press one button to get to the part of the menu you want instead of two. I never had any issue with the menu on the 360 version or the PC version but now I'm starting to get an idea of why so many people had a problem with the menu, because they are lazy. If two buttons is too much for you to press to get to your map, that's.... I'm just going to stop now before I get into flaming.



The nebula/constellation that appears is the one of the skill your currently looking at if you notice on the menu screenshot. So if your on two handed weapon it will probably show the warrior. Also if your leveling up all skills with the new system you probably won't have many perks and your not going to be well off while playing the game, I foresee lots of dying lol. The point of the new system is that you can level any skills you want but trying to level all the skills is going to gimp you.

I highly doubt that. This is promotion, not even pseudo-objective journalism.

http://www.tesnexus.com/imageshare/images/511948-1233008234.jpg

I understand that, but does getting a little bit better at hewing trolls with an axe directly alter the constellations above Tamriel? I'd rather change the stars -- and forge my destiny, for that matter -- by my actions, not through the natural consequences of potentially mundane actions (ie, skill increases). I can see how it could apply in a heroic and dramatic way...

All night the Dovahkiin hammered at the forge, till his mighty arms ached and the moon-silvered blade shone cold as death, and when he lifted his bright eyes to Tamriel's pre-dawn skies he beheld that one star now shone the brighter. [Your Smithing skill increased!]

But I can also think of a dozen more examples that make the level-up-affects-the-stars mechanic seem inappropriate at best, and absurd at worst.

Oh well...

Also if they dumbed down birthsigns to only three....


I'll be right there with you....