[RELz] HUD Status Bars : IV - Oblivion

» Mon May 16, 2011 5:47 pm

Would this be right? I'm trying to set up a bar that will show whether I have any training sessions available at each level. Sometimes I forget and there's nothing in any of the menus that tell you how many sessions you have available.

	set tnoHSB.hud_color to sv_Construct	"HUDcolorPurple"	set tnoHSB.hud_val to sv_Construct	"(Player.GetLevel *5) - GetPCMiscStat 3"	set tnoHSB.hud_max to sv_Construct	"5"			set tnoHSB.hud_ref to sv_Construct 	""			set tnoHSB.hud_min to sv_Construct	"0"	set tnoHSB.hud_y_adjust to 		0	set tnoHSB.hud_x_adjust to 		0	set tnoHSB.hud_size to			50	set tnoHSB.hud_x to			99	set tnoHSB.hud_y to			22	SetStage tnoHSB 10 ; Init status bar 16

I know I'm on the right track since I did it once before with Kuertee's HUD mod, but my brain is really foggy today.

» Mon May 16, 2011 10:43 pm

I'm getting this:

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That output should just not be possible. I don't really understand anything. It seems to say that your color line was empty and that your ref line contained the color info. Are you sure you're running OBSEv19b4? If so, can you try starting out with something extremely simple, replacing color with a constant ("7"), and max with a constant (ex: "500"), and check the debug output, and what happens ingame.

For the record in the debug output you quoted, #/0 is the color line, #/1 (not seen) is the val line, #/2 the min line, #/3 the max line and #/4 the ref line, so if you change the ini to what I suggest, you should see:

HSB: 0/0 is number constant 7, from expression: set tnoHSB.val to 7HSB: 0/2 is number constant 0, from expression: set tnoHSB.val to 0HSB: 0/3 is number constant 5000, from expression: set tnoHSB.val to 500

Would this be right? I'm trying to set up a bar that will show whether I have any training sessions available at each level. Sometimes I forget and there's nothing in any of the menus that tell you how many sessions you have available.
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You're on a creative roll now, I like that

I see two immediate problems, you assume that exactly 5 training sessions is allowed (maybe not a problem), and that you have used all training sessions on all earlier levels. If you are on level 2 and have used 4 there, but only used 2 of 5 on level 1, your val will become 2*5 - 6 = 4, which would only be correct if the unused sessions on level 1 carried over to level 2.

Fortunately, there is an OBSE function: GetPCTrainingSessionsUsed - returns the number of times the player has trained during his current level
So replace your val line with just that function.

Also, consider replacing the max line with "GetGameSetting iTrainingSkills" - which will return 5 in an unmodded game.

Btw, if you have empty hud_ref, the player is an implicit ref, so "Player.GetLevel" could be shortened to "GetLevel".

» Mon May 16, 2011 3:38 pm

I see two immediate problems, you assume that exactly 5 training sessions is allowed (maybe not a problem), and that you have used all training sessions on all earlier levels. If you are on level 2 and have used 4 there, but only used 2 of 5 on level 1, your val will become 2*5 - 6 = 4, which would only be correct if the unused sessions on level 1 carried over to level 2.

Fortunately, there is an OBSE function: GetPCTrainingSessionsUsed - returns the number of times the player has trained during his current level
So replace your val line with just that function.

Also, consider replacing the max line with "GetGameSetting iTrainingSkills" - which will return 5 in an unmodded game.

Btw, if you have empty hud_ref, the player is an implicit ref, so "Player.GetLevel" could be shortened to "GetLevel".

Well I do try and make it a point to use up my training sessions each time I level up, but sometimes I forget whether I've done that yet or not. But I like your suggestions much better. What would we do without OBSE eh? So if I wanted the bar to only appear when I have sessions available I would use this?

	set tnoHSB.hud_color to sv_Construct	"8*(tnoHSB.frac<1.0)"	set tnoHSB.hud_val to sv_Construct	"GetPCTrainingSessionsUsed"	set tnoHSB.hud_max to sv_Construct	"GetGameSetting iTrainingSkills"			set tnoHSB.hud_ref to sv_Construct 	""			set tnoHSB.hud_min to sv_Construct	"0"	set tnoHSB.hud_y_adjust to 		0	set tnoHSB.hud_x_adjust to 		0	set tnoHSB.hud_size to			50	set tnoHSB.hud_x to			99	set tnoHSB.hud_y to			22	SetStage tnoHSB 10 ; Init status bar 16

BTW, those armour bars are working beautifully. You might want to consider adding those as default bars in your next version. That's something I'm pretty sure most players would want to see onscreen. Maybe have them to the right of the compass with a 50% size, starting from HUDBarsHigh. I have a red colour change occurring at 60% and it really stands out when using green as the base colour.

So something doesn't seem right. I currently don't have any training sessions available yet with even a straight colour my bar is full. It should be empty. Are you sure those functions actually work?

OK, that looks better at least. I also used GetPCTrainingSessionsUsed as the minimum and now the bar's empty. Does that make sense? It's hard to tell since I don't have any sessions available right now. Oh wait, maybe I can just change the game setting to something higher to test it.

No, I raised the number of sessions to 10 but the bar is always either full or empty, depending on how I set up the minimum. It should be half full.

» Mon May 16, 2011 4:23 pm

I changed the status bar to settings to this after removing all other bars:

set tnoHSB.hud_color to sv_Construct		"7"set tnoHSB.hud_val to sv_Construct	 	"300"set tnoHSB.hud_min to sv_Construct		"200"set tnoHSB.hud_max to sv_Construct		"500"	set tnoHSB.hud_x to				HUDbarsset tnoHSB.hud_y to				HUDbarsAbove	SetStage tnoHSB 10 ; Init status bar 1

I get:

HSB: 0/2 is number constant 500, from expression: set tnoHSB.val to 500HSB: 0/3 is number constant 200, from expression: set tnoHSB.val to 200HSB: 0/4 is number constant 7, from expression: set tnoHSB.val to 7

So it looks like the color is being read into the reference, the max into the min, and the min into the max, while the value seems to be getting ignored.

I redownloaded and installed both this mod from TESNexus and OBSE 19b4 from the OBSE site and get the same result. Also the weapon charge bar doesn't seem to work either, while the enemy health bar and a custom bar for showing oblvion gates remaining (similar to your example) appear to be working as intended.

I'm not sure why 1 and 0 aren't being shown, could it have anything to do with the console buffer filling and those lines being lost?

PS: Is it possible to create a log of the initialization process that is overwritten everytime it runs? I believe I remember seeing something mentioned about OSR creating a log file, so presumably it's possible with OBSE. It might help you to write out the initialization info to a log when in debug mode.

» Mon May 16, 2011 10:11 pm

PS: Is it possible to create a log of the initialization process that is overwritten everytime it runs?

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=26510.

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:16 am

Here's the log from Consribe for the previously mentiioned settings:

===============================================Game Instance : 1 | Time : 10-13-2010 20-29-24===============================================HSB:Inserting status bars into HUDDebug statements toggled on for mod 4BHSB:0/0 is number constant 7, from expression: set tnoHSB.val to 7HSB:0/2 is number constant 500, from expression: set tnoHSB.val to 500HSB:0/3 is number constant 200, from expression: set tnoHSB.val to 200HSB:0/4 is number constant 7, from expression: set tnoHSB.val to 7HSB:Set 0 x to 87, with x position 2010HSB:Set 0 y to 844, with y position 3000HSB:Updated values from ini file.** Dumping Array #49 **Refs: 1 Owner 4B: HUD Status Bars.esp[ 0.000000 ] : (Array ID #85)PrintTileInfo tno_bars  Traits:   visible: 2.0000   locus: 1.0000   alpha: 0.0000   depth: 1.0000   y: 0.0000   x: 0.0000   red: 255.0000   green: 255.0000   blue: 255.0000   childcount: 1.0000   _red: 255.0000   _green: 255.0000   _blue: 255.0000   _e_width: 189.0000   _e_height: 16.0000   _e_file: 0.0000   _f_width: 163.0000   _f_height: 11.0000   _f_x: 11.0000   _f_y: 2.0000   _edge_w: 12.0000   _edge_h: 14.0000   _edge_file: 0.0000   _alpha: 255.0000   _divider: 0.0000   _zoom: 100.0000   _font: 0.0000   _pos: 0.0000   _txt_hspace: 2.0000   _txt_vspace: 0.0000   _txt_y: 0.0000  Children:   tno_sbHSB:Hud Status Bars initialization completedHSB:Hud bar 0HSB:0)> gave no valid referenceEH:Updated values from ini file in data\ini\.MMO:Updated values from ini file in data\ini\.EE:Updated values from ini file in data\ini\.Lightweight Potions:Updated values from ini file with weight set to 0.20HSB:Hud bar 0HSB:0)> gave no valid reference

It'd probably be best to work out the Encumbrance bar before moving onto the weapon charge bar.

» Mon May 16, 2011 3:54 pm

So this isn't working either. I simply copied the variables from one of your examples:

; ===================  Status Bar 17													set tnoHSB.hud_color to sv_Construct	"HUDcolorBlack"	set tnoHSB.hud_val to sv_Construct	"GetPCMajorSkillUps"	set tnoHSB.hud_max to sv_Construct      "GetGameSetting %qiLevelUpSkillCount%q"			set tnoHSB.hud_ref to sv_Construct 	""			set tnoHSB.hud_min to sv_Construct	""	set tnoHSB.hud_y_adjust to 		0	set tnoHSB.hud_x_adjust to 		0	set tnoHSB.hud_size to			50	set tnoHSB.hud_x to			99	set tnoHSB.hud_y to			HUDprevBarBelow	SetStage tnoHSB 10 ; Init status bar 17

I should have 4 more skill level ups to go but the bar is full just like with the training sessions. I'm beginning to think those OBSE functions don't really work the way they're supposed to.

» Mon May 16, 2011 9:36 pm

Something is definitely amiss. I added a bar to show the current enemy's health above the compass and the colors are screwy, as are the colors for the bar you added to show when enemies have max health above base. The odd thing is that other than the colors those to bars seem to be working properly, the bar for health above base may not be disappearing until the enemy dies though, despite the general screwyness. I checked the log of the initialization made by consribe again and none of the bars are being correctly initialized, yet some seem to work in general (albeit with errors like color) despite that. This is truly wierd, especially since I redownloaded and installed the mod and OBSE. Could the issue be somewhere else?

» Mon May 16, 2011 4:07 pm

I've been trying to get the status bars from my companion displayed - similar to how alchmo had http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/images/34905-1-1286526927.jpg. However, all I'm getting are empty bars like http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b337/RR5/TES4_hudstatusbarprblm.jpg. Anyone got a clue what Im doing wrong? Below are the settings I've tried.

Spoiler

; ===================  Status Bar 7 - Vilja - Health													set tnoHSB.hud_color to sv_Construct 2 ;red		set tnoHSB.hud_val to sv_Construct GetAV Health	set tnoHSB.hud_max to sv_Construct GetBaseAV Health	set tnoHSB.hud_ref to sv_Construct GetFormFromMod %q1em_Vilja.esp%q %q000ED3%q		set tnoHSB.hud_x to	1	set tnoHSB.hud_y to	84	SetStage tnoHSB 10 ; Init status bar 7; ===================  Status Bar 8 - Vilja - Magicka													set tnoHSB.hud_color to sv_Construct 3 ; blue		set tnoHSB.hud_val to sv_Construct GetAV Magicka	set tnoHSB.hud_max to sv_Construct GetBaseAV Magicka	set tnoHSB.hud_ref to sv_Construct GetFormFromMod %q1em_Vilja.esp%q %q000ED3%q	set tnoHSB.hud_x to	1	set tnoHSB.hud_y to	HUDprevBarBelow	SetStage tnoHSB 10 ; Init status bar 8; ===================  Status Bar 9 - Vilja - Stamina													set tnoHSB.hud_color to sv_Construct 1 ; green			set tnoHSB.hud_val to sv_Construct GetAV Fatigue	set tnoHSB.hud_max to sv_Construct GetBaseAV Fatigue	set tnoHSB.hud_ref to sv_Construct GetFormFromMod %q1em_Vilja.esp%q %q000ED3%q	set tnoHSB.hud_textColor to sv_Construct 13 ;	set tnoHSB.hud_name to sv_Construct  Vilja:		set tnoHSB.hud_x to	1	set tnoHSB.hud_y to	HUDprevBarBelow	SetStage tnoHSB 10 ; Init status bar 9

» Mon May 16, 2011 6:51 pm

Has anyone figured out yet, how to get the XP bar from OblivionXP to show up as a fourth status bar, like on this (photoshopped) screenshot?

http://www3.pic-upload.de/04.10.10/yi9br5y46iho.jpg

» Mon May 16, 2011 8:49 pm

So this isn't working either. I simply copied the variables from one of your examples:

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I should have 4 more skill level ups to go but the bar is full just like with the training sessions. I'm beginning to think those OBSE functions don't really work the way they're supposed to.

I just tested, and this ini:

	set tnoHSB.hud_color to sv_Construct	"5"	set tnoHSB.hud_val to sv_Construct	"GetPCMajorSkillUps"	set tnoHSB.hud_max to sv_Construct     "GetGameSetting %qiLevelUpSkillCount%q"	set tnoHSB.hud_x to					HUDbars						; Same x pos as standard bars	set tnoHSB.hud_y to					HUDbarsAbove				; Right above standard bars	SetStage tnoHSB 10 ; Init status bar 1													set tnoHSB.hud_color to sv_Construct		"8"			set tnoHSB.hud_val to sv_Construct	 	"GetPCTrainingSessionsUsed"	set tnoHSB.hud_max to sv_Construct		"GetGameSetting %qiTrainingSkills%q"	SetStage tnoHSB 10 ; Init status bar 1

worked perfectly. I even tried with a save where I managed to increase the number of major skillups a couple of times, and it worked as intended.

If a bar doesn't work, enable debug and check which values it contains.

Something is definitely amiss. I added a bar to show the current enemy's health above the compass and the colors are screwy, as are the colors for the bar you added to show when enemies have max health above base. The odd thing is that other than the colors those to bars seem to be working properly, the bar for health above base may not be disappearing until the enemy dies though, despite the general screwyness. I checked the log of the initialization made by consribe again and none of the bars are being correctly initialized, yet some seem to work in general (albeit with errors like color) despite that. This is truly wierd, especially since I redownloaded and installed the mod and OBSE. Could the issue be somewhere else?

Ther is something weird in your game. It sounds that it uses wrong variables when initializing. This is actually something that can happen if one script that refers to variables in another script, and the variables change position without the first script being recompiled, but it is strange that you are the only one reporting it. I will try to get out a 1.1.1 version tomorrow, where I have slightly better debugging, and ensure that all scripts are recompiled.

I've been trying to get the status bars from my companion displayed - similar to how alchmo had http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/images/34905-1-1286526927.jpg. However, all I'm getting are empty bars like http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b337/RR5/TES4_hudstatusbarprblm.jpg. Anyone got a clue what Im doing wrong? Below are the settings I've tried.
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The settings you pasted all miss the necessary " quotes. I am not sure if you lost them when copying from your ini file, or if you lack them - which will explain why you don't see any bars.
E.g. enclise everything between "sv_Construct to" and end of line (or comments) with quotes, so that

	set tnoHSB.hud_color to sv_Construct 2 ;red		set tnoHSB.hud_val to sv_Construct GetAV Health	set tnoHSB.hud_max to sv_Construct GetBaseAV Health	set tnoHSB.hud_ref to sv_Construct GetFormFromMod %q1em_Vilja.esp%q %q000ED3%q		set tnoHSB.hud_x to	1	set tnoHSB.hud_y to	84

becomes

	set tnoHSB.hud_color to sv_Construct "2" ;red		set tnoHSB.hud_val to sv_Construct "GetAV Health"	set tnoHSB.hud_max to sv_Construct "GetBaseAV Health"	set tnoHSB.hud_ref to sv_Construct "GetFormFromMod %q1em_Vilja.esp%q %q000ED3%q"		set tnoHSB.hud_x to	1	set tnoHSB.hud_y to	84

Has anyone figured out yet, how to get the XP bar from OblivionXP to show up as a fourth status bar, like on this (photoshopped) screenshot?

I've never used Oblivion XP, but I guess I can ask andalaybay

» Mon May 16, 2011 7:23 pm

The settings you pasted all miss the necessary " quotes. I am not sure if you lost them when copying from your ini file, or if you lack them - which will explain why you don't see any bars.
E.g. enclise everything between "sv_Construct to" and end of line (or comments) with quotes, so that

I've tried that, but still no luck. I do get the bars themselves, they're just perpetually set to 0. I've also dubbelchecked that the formID is correct.
Also, when I use "set tnoHSB.hud_name to sv_Construct" it displays the name below the status bar. Can it be set to display above it?

» Tue May 17, 2011 3:28 am

I just tested, and this ini:

	set tnoHSB.hud_color to sv_Construct	"5"	set tnoHSB.hud_val to sv_Construct	"GetPCMajorSkillUps"	set tnoHSB.hud_max to sv_Construct     "GetGameSetting %qiLevelUpSkillCount%q"	set tnoHSB.hud_x to					HUDbars						; Same x pos as standard bars	set tnoHSB.hud_y to					HUDbarsAbove				; Right above standard bars	SetStage tnoHSB 10 ; Init status bar 1													set tnoHSB.hud_color to sv_Construct		"8"			set tnoHSB.hud_val to sv_Construct	 	"GetPCTrainingSessionsUsed"	set tnoHSB.hud_max to sv_Construct		"GetGameSetting %qiTrainingSkills%q"	SetStage tnoHSB 10 ; Init status bar 1

worked perfectly. I even tried with a save where I managed to increase the number of major skillups a couple of times, and it worked as intended.

If a bar doesn't work, enable debug and check which values it contains.

Well I did manage to get the training one to work. It seems that you and I have opposite ideas of how the bars should empty/fill. I reversed the min/max values and it did drop after training only once. I've reversed the skill values as well, but since I've just started a brand new game and don't have any skill increases yet it's hard to say if it's working or not.

One thing I thought would be nice to have displayed is bars that show me when I'm almost ready to level up in a major skill. It would be like going into the skill menu, except that I wouldn't have any maximum values displayed, only how far I was away from increasing my skill level. But I don't have a clue how to go about it. How does the game go about filling up those skill bars? Having those would be a great complement to the level up bar, if I can get that to work.

PS: I now know why I can't the level up bar to work. I'm using KCAS and it completely bypasses the vanilla settings. For instance, he has iLevelUpSkillCount set at 10000. And I can't find any sort of variable in his scripts I can use instead. I doubt very much if I'll even be able to add any skill level bars, it looks like he's dealing with those differently as well.

So I've some across a very minor issue. The interior textures don't quite line up with the background. I can see a small space on top but on the bottom it hangs over the edge a little bit. You might want to push them up a pixel or two.

» Tue May 17, 2011 6:17 am

I really agree that the bars should be full when satisfied, good idea. I'm wondering about your Real Thirst suggestion though. From looking at its code I see that aThirstRatio goes from 0 (best) to 1 (worst), yet you make the bar empty already when aThirstRatio becomes 0.1, which is only 10% of the way it can go. Is that a typo, or is it because the penalties start kicking in at 0.1 (and reach max at 1.0) and that you wanted the bar to become empty when penalties kick in?

If so, an alternative could be to let the bar go all the way, but change color on the point that the penalty kicks in.

Sorry for the late answer... Yes, I took this 0.1 somewhere from one of the Real Thirst mod's script. It's the value where the penalties start kicking in.
Thanks for the suggestion. I saw that Real Sleep extended can do that in the first place but I didn't wanted to modify Real Thirst to support it. But I see that the new version supports conditions, so it is possible now. Good work. :thumbsup: I may update the codes some time.

» Mon May 16, 2011 8:30 pm

HUD Status Bars 1.2 is now available :intergalactic:

From the changelog:
* Added special reference "hud_summon" that holds the reference of your currently summoned creature.
Just as with the hud_enemy ref added in 1.1. Allows you to add bars for summon stats. The new ini file comes with a bar that displays the summoned creature's health (and is invisible when there is no summon).

* Added extensive debug functionality
To make it much easier to debug problems. In the ini, add the line "set tnoHSB.hud_debug to 1" (or to 2) in the setup for a specific bar. The mod will then display debug info for that bar only (and other bars you have added the same line for). Set it to 2 to also see initialization info.

So if you have problem with a bar, add this line to its setup and check the output (report it here if you cannot spot and fix the error yourself).

* Rewrote part of engine to remove possible problems for some players
Found one bug, and rewrote part of the engine. Hopefully this will fix the problems for Sir_MAD and others.

Well I did manage to get the training one to work. It seems that you and I have opposite ideas of how the bars should empty/fill. I reversed the min/max values and it did drop after training only once. I've reversed the skill values as well, but since I've just started a brand new game and don't have any skill increases yet it's hard to say if it's working or not.

No, I fully agree that it makes most sense to display full when you haven't used any training sessions yet. My focus was on getting the bar to work. But it's good that they now work

One thing I thought would be nice to have displayed is bars that show me when I'm almost ready to level up in a major skill. It would be like going into the skill menu, except that I wouldn't have any maximum values displayed, only how far I was away from increasing my skill level. But I don't have a clue how to go about it. How does the game go about filling up those skill bars? Having those would be a great complement to the level up bar, if I can get that to work.

I am pretty sure that info can be retrieved from some OBSE functions. I may look into it when I have the time.

PS: I now know why I can't the level up bar to work. I'm using KCAS and it completely bypasses the vanilla settings. For instance, he has iLevelUpSkillCount set at 10000. And I can't find any sort of variable in his scripts I can use instead. I doubt very much if I'll even be able to add any skill level bars, it looks like he's dealing with those differently as well.

OK - but I would think the mod has some variable counting how close you are to leveling. I know Realistic Leveling has. And I don't think kCAS is messing with the skill leveling, are you sure it does that?

So I've some across a very minor issue. The interior textures don't quite line up with the background. I can see a small space on top but on the bottom it hangs over the edge a little bit. You might want to push them up a pixel or two.

Hm, I actually read those values from the settings for the health bar in your installed HUD xml file, so it should be identical to that...

Sorry for the late answer... Yes, I took this 0.1 somewhere from one of the Real Thirst mod's script. It's the value where the penalties start kicking in.
Thanks for the suggestion. I saw that Real Sleep extended can do that in the first place but I didn't wanted to modify Real Thirst to support it. But I see that the new version supports conditions, so it is possible now. Good work. :thumbsup: I may update the codes some time.

Yes, I looked into Real Thirst myself, and found the 0.1 value, so that is now the suggested setup.

Btw, I haven't mentioned (or even tested it) yet, but it should be easy to use HUD Status Bars to display the 0-0.1 bar before penalties kick in (with one color), and then replace it with another penalty bar in another color when the penalties kick in. Something like this:

 set tnoHSB.hud_color to sv_Construct	"HUDcolorGreen*(aThirstQuest.aThirstRatio<0.1)"		; Only visible when aThirstRation < 0.1 set tnoHSB.hud_val to sv_Construct	"aThirstQuest.aThirstRatio" set tnoHSB.hud_min to sv_Construct	"0.1" set tnoHSB.hud_max to sv_Construct	"0" SetStage tnoHSB 10 ; Init status bar set tnoHSB.hud_color to sv_Construct	"HUDcolorRed*(aThirstQuest.aThirstRatio>=0.1)"		; Only visible when aThirstRation >= 0.1 set tnoHSB.hud_val to sv_Construct	"aThirstQuest.aThirstRatio" set tnoHSB.hud_min to sv_Construct	"0.1" set tnoHSB.hud_max to sv_Construct	"1" set tnoHSB.hud_y to HUDprevBar						; Makes this bar have the exact same position as the bar above it SetStage tnoHSB 10 ; Init status bar

In reality I set up two different bars with the exact same position, with conditions that make only one visible at a time - so it looks line the bar goes from full green to empty before the thirst penalty kicks in, and then from empty to full red as the thirst penalty gets stronger.

» Mon May 16, 2011 6:33 pm

Still not working, but I found something interesting out. I loaded a game from about 100 hours previous to my current (only a few hours of play at that point) game and the bars seem to be working properly. I then load my current game and they're back to behaving as they were before(ie messed up colors, not working and some not displaying at all). It seems to be that play time may be causing the issue somehow. Any idea what might be causing this, Bash is not detecting any savegame bloat, nor am I experiencing the stuck animation bug from high play time yet? I am running FCOM so it is a heavily modded game, though I'm not seeing how that would affect this as I'm nowhere near the esp/bsa limit. I can provide whatever information about my setup that is needed, just let me know.

» Tue May 17, 2011 1:31 am

Still not working, but I found something interesting out. I loaded a game from about 100 hours previous to my current (only a few hours of play at that point) game and the bars seem to be working properly. I then load my current game and they're back to behaving as they were before(ie messed up colors, not working and some not displaying at all).

Really strange. This mod is supposed to clean itself on every savegame load, i.e. not really use a single variable from your save, so I have a hard time understanding how the save matters. But since it does, could you try with a clean save (disable HUD Status Bars, load - then save your game, enable HUD Status Bars again and load the savegame)?

If that doesn't help, or rather anyway, can you add "set tnoHSB.hud_debug to 2" to one of your weird bars, and then post what it writes to the log?

» Mon May 16, 2011 3:15 pm

OK - but I would think the mod has some variable counting how close you are to leveling. I know Realistic Leveling has.

Maybe there is but I haven't been able to figure out what. I struggled with that when I was using Kuertee's HUD mod as well, and I could never find a variable that would work.

And I don't think kCAS is messing with the skill leveling, are you sure it does that?

No I'm not sure. But looking at his scripts, he seems to be doing something with the skills as well, so I'm just making a presumption.

Hm, I actually read those values from the settings for the health bar in your installed HUD xml file, so it should be identical to that...

Well maybe the graphics themselves are a tad off. It's not really that noticeable if the bars are reduced. But if they're the same size as the default, and is sorted with the others, then it's certainly visible. Most people probably wouldn't think about it, but that's something I'm rather picky about. I used to be a graphic designer, so those kinds of things stand out.

» Tue May 17, 2011 6:03 am

The clean save seemed to work as they were displaying properly.

Here's the Conscribe log for the clean save that worked, I used the encumbrance bar:

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===============================================Game Instance : 1 | Time : 10-15-2010 11-55-00===============================================HSB:Inserting status bars into HUDDebug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled on for mod 53HSB:Init hud bar 1HSB:1/color is expression: 7+3*(tnoHSB.frac<0.4)HSB:1/max is number constant 0, from expression: set tnoHSB.val to 0HSB:1/min is expression: GetBaseAV EncumbranceHSB:1/ref has no lengthHSB:Set 1 x to 87, with x position 2010HSB:Set 1 y to 844, with y position 3000color --** Dumping Array #133 **Refs: 2 Owner 53: HUD Status Bars.esp[ 0.000000 ] : 1.000000[ 1.000000 ] : 7+3*(tnoHSB.frac<0.4)max --** Dumping Array #139 **Refs: 2 Owner 53: HUD Status Bars.esp[ 0.000000 ] : 2.000000[ 1.000000 ] : 0.000000min --** Dumping Array #264 **Refs: 2 Owner 53: HUD Status Bars.esp[ 0.000000 ] : 1.000000[ 1.000000 ] : GetBaseAV Encumbranceref --** Dumping Array #270 **Refs: 2 Owner 53: HUD Status Bars.esp[ 0.000000 ] : 0.000000val -- GetAV EncumbranceDebug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled off for mod 53HSB:Updated values from ini file.HSB:Hud bar 1HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV EncumbranceHSB: set tnoHSB.min to GetBaseAV EncumbranceHSB:504.00/0.00/219.18=0.57HSB:Status bar 1 has color 7 and value 0.57 (219.2/504.0-0.0)EH:Updated values from ini file in data\ini\.MMO:Updated values from ini file in data\ini\.EE:Updated values from ini file in data\ini\.HSB:Hud bar 1HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV EncumbranceHSB: set tnoHSB.min to GetBaseAV EncumbranceHSB:504.00/0.00/219.18=0.57HSB:Hud bar 1HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV EncumbranceHSB: set tnoHSB.min to GetBaseAV EncumbranceHSB:504.00/0.00/219.18=0.57HSB:Hud bar 1HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV EncumbranceHSB: set tnoHSB.min to GetBaseAV EncumbranceHSB:504.00/0.00/219.18=0.57HSB:Hud bar 1HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV EncumbranceHSB: set tnoHSB.min to GetBaseAV EncumbranceHSB:504.00/0.00/219.18=0.57HSB:Hud bar 1HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV EncumbranceHSB: set tnoHSB.min to GetBaseAV EncumbranceHSB:504.00/0.00/219.18=0.57HSB:Hud bar 1HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV EncumbranceHSB: set tnoHSB.min to GetBaseAV EncumbranceHSB:504.00/0.00/219.18=0.57HSB:Hud bar 1HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV EncumbranceHSB: set tnoHSB.min to GetBaseAV EncumbranceHSB:504.00/0.00/219.18=0.57HSB:Hud bar 1HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV EncumbranceHSB: set tnoHSB.min to GetBaseAV EncumbranceHSB:504.00/0.00/219.18=0.57HSB:Hud bar 1HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV EncumbranceHSB: set tnoHSB.min to GetBaseAV EncumbranceHSB:504.00/0.00/219.18=0.57HSB:Hud bar 1HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV EncumbranceHSB: set tnoHSB.min to GetBaseAV EncumbranceHSB:504.00/0.00/219.18=0.57HSB:Hud bar 1HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV EncumbranceHSB: set tnoHSB.min to GetBaseAV EncumbranceHSB:504.00/0.00/219.18=0.57HSB:Hud bar 1HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV EncumbranceHSB: set tnoHSB.min to GetBaseAV EncumbranceHSB:504.00/0.00/219.18=0.57

Here's the Conscribe log for the regular save, I used the encumbrance bar again, and it doesn't work at all:

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===============================================Game Instance : 1 | Time : 10-15-2010 11-57-22===============================================HSB:Inserting status bars into HUDDebug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled on for mod 53HSB:Init hud bar 1HSB:1/color is expression: 7+3*(tnoHSB.frac<0.4)HSB:1/max is number constant 0, from expression: set tnoHSB.val to 0HSB:1/min is expression: GetBaseAV EncumbranceHSB:1/ref is expression: 7+3*(tnoHSB.frac<0.4)HSB:Set 1 x to 87, with x position 2010HSB:Set 1 y to 844, with y position 3000color --** Dumping Array #408 **Refs: 2 Owner 53: HUD Status Bars.esp[ 0.000000 ] : 1.000000[ 1.000000 ] : 7+3*(tnoHSB.frac<0.4)max --** Dumping Array #409 **Refs: 2 Owner 53: HUD Status Bars.esp[ 0.000000 ] : 2.000000[ 1.000000 ] : 0.000000min --** Dumping Array #410 **Refs: 2 Owner 53: HUD Status Bars.esp[ 0.000000 ] : 1.000000[ 1.000000 ] : GetBaseAV Encumbranceref --** Dumping Array #411 **Refs: 2 Owner 53: HUD Status Bars.esp[ 0.000000 ] : 1.000000[ 1.000000 ] : 7+3*(tnoHSB.frac<0.4)val -- GetAV EncumbranceDebug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled off for mod 53HSB:Updated values from ini file.HSB:Hud bar 1HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV EncumbranceHSB: set tnoHSB.min to GetBaseAV EncumbranceHSB:0.00/0.00/0.00=0.00HSB:Status bar 1 has color 10 and value 0.00 (0.0/0.0-0.0)EH:Updated values from ini file in data\ini\.MMO:Updated values from ini file in data\ini\.EE:Updated values from ini file in data\ini\.HSB:Hud bar 1HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV EncumbranceHSB: set tnoHSB.min to GetBaseAV EncumbranceHSB:0.00/0.00/0.00=0.00HSB:Hud bar 1HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV EncumbranceHSB: set tnoHSB.min to GetBaseAV EncumbranceHSB:0.00/0.00/0.00=0.00HSB:Hud bar 1HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV EncumbranceHSB: set tnoHSB.min to GetBaseAV EncumbranceHSB:0.00/0.00/0.00=0.00HSB:Hud bar 1HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV EncumbranceHSB: set tnoHSB.min to GetBaseAV EncumbranceHSB:0.00/0.00/0.00=0.00

Here's a a slightly modified summon health bar from the clean save:

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===============================================Game Instance : 1 | Time : 10-15-2010 12-05-13===============================================Lightweight Potions:Updated values from ini file with weight set to 0.20HSB:Inserting status bars into HUDDebug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled on for mod 53HSB:Init hud bar 4HSB:4/color is color constant 2HSB:4/max is expression: GetBaseAV HealthHSB:4/min has no lengthHSB:4/ref is current summonHSB:Set 4 x to 710, with x position 2007HSB:Set 4 y to 862, with y position 3002color --** Dumping Array #405 **Refs: 2 Owner 53: HUD Status Bars.esp[ 0.000000 ] : 2.000000[ 1.000000 ] : 2.000000max --** Dumping Array #406 **Refs: 2 Owner 53: HUD Status Bars.esp[ 0.000000 ] : 1.000000[ 1.000000 ] : GetBaseAV Healthmin --** Dumping Array #408 **Refs: 2 Owner 53: HUD Status Bars.esp[ 0.000000 ] : 0.000000ref --** Dumping Array #409 **Refs: 2 Owner 53: HUD Status Bars.esp[ 0.000000 ] : 5.000000val -- GetAV HealthDebug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled off for mod 53HSB:Updated values from ini file.HSB:Hud bar 4HSB: gave no valid referenceEH:Updated values from ini file in data\ini\.MMO:Updated values from ini file in data\ini\.EE:Updated values from ini file in data\ini\.HSB:Hud bar 4HSB: gave no valid referenceHSB:Hud bar 4HSB: gave no valid referenceHSB:Hud bar 4HSB: gave no valid referenceHSB:Hud bar 4HSB: gave no valid referenceHSB:Hud bar 4HSB: gave no valid referenceHSB:Hud bar 4HSB: gave no valid referenceHSB:Hud bar 4HSB: gave no valid referenceHSB:Hud bar 4HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV HealthHSB: set tnoHSB.max to GetBaseAV HealthHSB:0.00/89.00/89.00=1.00HSB:Status bar 4 has color 2 and value 1.00 (89.0/0.0-89.0)HSB:Hud bar 4HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV HealthHSB: set tnoHSB.max to GetBaseAV HealthHSB:0.00/89.00/89.00=1.00HSB:Hud bar 4HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV HealthHSB: set tnoHSB.max to GetBaseAV HealthHSB:0.00/89.00/89.00=1.00HSB:Hud bar 4HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV HealthHSB: set tnoHSB.max to GetBaseAV HealthHSB:0.00/89.00/89.00=1.00HSB:Hud bar 4HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV HealthHSB: set tnoHSB.max to GetBaseAV HealthHSB:0.00/89.00/89.00=1.00HSB:Hud bar 4HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV HealthHSB: set tnoHSB.max to GetBaseAV HealthHSB:0.00/89.00/89.00=1.00HSB:Hud bar 4HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV HealthHSB: set tnoHSB.max to GetBaseAV HealthHSB:0.00/89.00/89.00=1.00HSB:Hud bar 4HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV HealthHSB: set tnoHSB.max to GetBaseAV HealthHSB:0.00/89.00/89.00=1.00HSB:Hud bar 4HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV HealthHSB: set tnoHSB.max to GetBaseAV HealthHSB:0.00/89.00/89.00=1.00HSB:Hud bar 4HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV HealthHSB: set tnoHSB.max to GetBaseAV HealthHSB:0.00/89.00/89.00=1.00HSB:Hud bar 4HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV HealthHSB: set tnoHSB.max to GetBaseAV HealthHSB:0.00/89.00/89.00=1.00HSB:Hud bar 4HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV HealthHSB: set tnoHSB.max to GetBaseAV HealthHSB:0.00/89.00/89.00=1.00

Here, the above from the regular save. It appears to work, but the colors are messed up:

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===============================================Game Instance : 1 | Time : 10-15-2010 12-08-10===============================================Lightweight Potions:Updated values from ini file with weight set to 0.20HSB:Inserting status bars into HUDDebug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled on for mod 53HSB:Init hud bar 4HSB:4/color is current summonHSB:4/max is expression: GetBaseAV HealthHSB:4/min has no lengthHSB:4/ref is current summonHSB:Set 4 x to 710, with x position 2007HSB:Set 4 y to 862, with y position 3002color --** Dumping Array #437 **Refs: 2 Owner 53: HUD Status Bars.esp[ 0.000000 ] : 5.000000max --** Dumping Array #438 **Refs: 2 Owner 53: HUD Status Bars.esp[ 0.000000 ] : 1.000000[ 1.000000 ] : GetBaseAV Healthmin --** Dumping Array #439 **Refs: 2 Owner 53: HUD Status Bars.esp[ 0.000000 ] : 0.000000ref --** Dumping Array #440 **Refs: 2 Owner 53: HUD Status Bars.esp[ 0.000000 ] : 5.000000val -- GetAV HealthDebug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled off for mod 53Debug statements toggled off for mod 53HSB:Updated values from ini file.HSB:Hud bar 4HSB: gave no valid referenceEH:Updated values from ini file in data\ini\.MMO:Updated values from ini file in data\ini\.EE:Updated values from ini file in data\ini\.HSB:Hud bar 4HSB: gave no valid referenceHSB:Hud bar 4HSB: gave no valid referenceHSB:Hud bar 4HSB: gave no valid referenceHSB:Hud bar 4HSB: gave no valid referenceHSB:Hud bar 4HSB: gave no valid referenceHSB:Hud bar 4HSB: gave no valid referenceError in script 53000800Operator := failed to evaluate to a valid result    File: HUD Status Bars.esp Offset: 0x0C04 Command: LetError in script 53000800An expression failed to evaluate to a valid result    File: HUD Status Bars.esp Offset: 0x0C04 Command: LetError in script 53000800Operator := failed to evaluate to a valid result    File: HUD Status Bars.esp Offset: 0x0C04 Command: LetError in script 53000800An expression failed to evaluate to a valid result    File: HUD Status Bars.esp Offset: 0x0C04 Command: LetHSB:Hud bar 4HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV HealthHSB: set tnoHSB.max to GetBaseAV HealthHSB:0.00/89.00/89.00=1.00Error in script 53000800Operator := failed to evaluate to a valid result    File: HUD Status Bars.esp Offset: 0x0C04 Command: LetError in script 53000800An expression failed to evaluate to a valid result    File: HUD Status Bars.esp Offset: 0x0C04 Command: LetHSB:Status bar 4 has color 10 and value 1.00 (89.0/0.0-89.0)HSB:Hud bar 4HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV HealthHSB: set tnoHSB.max to GetBaseAV HealthHSB:0.00/89.00/89.00=1.00HSB:Hud bar 4HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV HealthHSB: set tnoHSB.max to GetBaseAV HealthHSB:0.00/89.00/89.00=1.00HSB:Hud bar 4HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV HealthHSB: set tnoHSB.max to GetBaseAV HealthHSB:0.00/89.00/89.00=1.00HSB:Hud bar 4HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV HealthHSB: set tnoHSB.max to GetBaseAV HealthHSB:0.00/89.00/89.00=1.00HSB:Hud bar 4HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV HealthHSB: set tnoHSB.max to GetBaseAV HealthHSB:0.00/89.00/89.00=1.00HSB:Hud bar 4HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV HealthHSB: set tnoHSB.max to GetBaseAV HealthHSB:0.00/89.00/89.00=1.00HSB:Hud bar 4HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV HealthHSB: set tnoHSB.max to GetBaseAV HealthHSB:0.00/89.00/89.00=1.00HSB:Hud bar 4HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV HealthHSB: set tnoHSB.max to GetBaseAV HealthHSB:0.00/89.00/89.00=1.00HSB:Hud bar 4HSB: set tnoHSB.val to GetAV HealthHSB: set tnoHSB.max to GetBaseAV HealthHSB:0.00/89.00/89.00=1.00

» Mon May 16, 2011 7:39 pm

Thank you TNO for all of your mods
At present I am "only" using 4 in the set. But they are in my manadatory set of mods each time I rebulid!

I was wondering if you knew what the value in coding for the temperature would be?
I was hoping to create a thermometer to help me know when to change for warmer clothes- I use a temperature based immersion mode
rather than just relying on it to start snowing.
but I am at a loss to know what value I need to put in the ini to get it- will be lovely when it can be a circle or vertical
Thank you again!

» Mon May 16, 2011 9:11 pm

Well maybe the graphics themselves are a tad off. It's not really that noticeable if the bars are reduced. But if they're the same size as the default, and is sorted with the others, then it's certainly visible. Most people probably wouldn't think about it, but that's something I'm rather picky about. I used to be a graphic designer, so those kinds of things stand out.

What I mean is that the intention is to copy the exact same settings as from the other hud bars you have in your game, so they should be identical. Could you take a screenshot, that I could see (you can upload it at HUD Status Bar's page on TESNexus, it will only be visible to me).

The clean save seemed to work as they were displaying properly.

Thanks. It seems like swithcing the position of variables, even if I don't reuse the ones stored in a save, somehow manages to confues Oblivion. But if I understand you correctly, a clean save solved the problem. I will then make sure to avoid the need for it with future updates.

Thank you TNO for all of your mods
At present I am "only" using 4 in the set. But they are in my manadatory set of mods each time I rebulid!

Thanks

I was wondering if you knew what the value in coding for the temperature would be?
I was hoping to create a thermometer to help me know when to change for warmer clothes- I use a temperature based immersion mode
rather than just relying on it to start snowing.
but I am at a loss to know what value I need to put in the ini to get it- will be lovely when it can be a circle or vertical

I think the temperature is controlled solely by the mod you use, so I need to know which mod it is to give you the values to set. And yes, there will be circles, boxes or vertical bars (and text) in later releases.

» Mon May 16, 2011 8:06 pm

Could you take a screenshot, that I could see (you can upload it at HUD Status Bar's page on TESNexus, it will only be visible to me).

OK, so I've uploaded the screen shot and made it big enough that you should be able to see what I'm referring to. The purple bar on the bottom is one of yours, and there's a distinct line on top while the purple texture hangs down a tiny bit on the bottom. I think I know what the problem is. You mentioned that you used the default health bar as a reference, but it's slightly off as well. It also has a slight edge on top, though it looks like it might be a tad smaller than your texture so you can't really notice the bottom edge hanging over. The blue and green are fine. At any rate, it's more noticeable with your bars than it is with the default. I think all you need to do is push the inside textures up by one pixel, it's a very slight misalignment. It's a very minor thing I know, but as a former graphic designer it's the kind of thing that just drives me crazy.

» Mon May 16, 2011 10:54 pm

Thanks Belanos. One question though, which UI mod are you using? I ask, because when I worked with this, I noticed (IIRC) that Darnified UI did exactly what you suggest, move the filled part of the par one notch up. So I guess it means you don't use Darn or Darn'd Dark? If this is correct, then I guess I can change it to not read the value from your current UI, but use Darn's positioning directly.

» Mon May 16, 2011 2:51 pm

Thanks Belanos. One question though, which UI mod are you using? I ask, because when I worked with this, I noticed (IIRC) that Darnified UI did exactly what you suggest, move the filled part of the par one notch up. So I guess it means you don't use Darn or Darn'd Dark? If this is correct, then I guess I can change it to not read the value from your current UI, but use Darn's positioning directly.

I'm using BTMod.

» Mon May 16, 2011 5:04 pm

I'm using BTMod.

OK, can you then open Menus\prefabs\ui_config\hudmainmenu_config.xml in a text editor, and look for the line

	 <_hpbarfully> 2  <!-- DEFAULT : 2 -->

Change the "2" to "1", and see how it looks then. For some strange reason, BTMod and DarkUI has this value (which is how much the colored part of the bar is moved down) set to 2 for the health bar, and 1 for the two other bars. HUD Status Bars copy the health bar settings, for no other reason than it being the first of the three bars. I guess I'll just change the code to copy settings from one of the other bars instead.