[RELz] HUD Status Bars : IV - Oblivion

» Tue May 17, 2011 4:59 am

I could, but I'm not been privy to the workings of the the UI and to MenuQue's functions generally. But if I were to convert Scathe, I'd need to be able to do the following:
1. Create an arbitrary number of UI elements (to show the damage text),

You can create any number of standard Oblivion xml text elements. Those can either be added directly to the HUD xml (in which case you must release one version for each UI mod you want to be compatible with), or use MenuQue's mqInsertXML function to insert your small xml file into the main HUD - and thereby making it compatible with all. Quite simple actually, I can show you what you need if interested.

2. Set the value(text in Scathe's case), color, position (in screenspace) and opacity of said elements.

That can very easily be done with "SetMenuFloatValue" or "SetMenuStringValue". A standard text element has , , , , , and traits that can be freely set with those commands.

3. Destroy created elements when the show's over.

Cannot be done, but you can hide them (set trait to false), and reuse them later.

Here's something like what you need to display one element. Either have one xml file with the max number you need (named scathe_01 - scathe_xx or something similar), or have one and use mqInsertXML several times to add multiple elemets.

 	 &true; 	 4 	 ¢er; 	 3 	 255 	 100 	 100 	 255 	 5 	 640 	 512

Then use something like

SetMenuStringValue "scathe\string|%.0f" value 1004

to set displayed value, or

SetMenuFloatValue "scathe\x" 1004 x_pos

to move it around

PS: Sorry about the hijack :batman:

You're welcome

» Tue May 17, 2011 7:49 am

I could, but I'm not been privy to the workings of the the UI and to MenuQue's functions generally. But if I were to convert Scathe, I'd need to be able to do the following:

Create an arbitrary number of UI elements (to show the damage text),
Set the value(text in Scathe's case), color, position (in screenspace) and opacity of said elements.
Destroy created elements when the show's over.
Find enough time to work on the conversion.

Were the above possible, I'll consider pushing an update of Scathe.

PS: Sorry about the hijack :batman:

1 and 2 are possible, although 2 will be somewhat limited until I can incorporate new fonts into MenuQue. Atm 3 isn't possible but TheNiceOne's suggestion of hiding any inactive elements would probably work fine. Then again, if I consider all the help you gave me I could easily add an ExertXML (is that the opposite of insert?

) or simply DeleteXML just for you.

It's not hard to make, just a potentionally dangerous function.

As for 4, well, I've love to donate some of my time but I seem to have lost alot of that too lately..... :glare:

Here's something like what you need to display one element. Either have one xml file with the max number you need (named scathe_01 - scathe_xx or something similar), or have one and use mqInsertXML several times to add multiple elemets.

When adding large numbers of elements it is wise to use InsertXML as few times as possible. Although basically this means you shouldn't insert them 1 at a time, it is a relatively slow function. :shrug:

P.S. Sorry about the re-hijack. :ph34r:

P.P.S. And ofcourse great work on this mod, TheNiceOne! Still haven't gotten around to install it but that's mainly because I also haven't gotten around to playing Oblivion yet.

-kyoma

» Tue May 17, 2011 11:25 am

@ TNO

If you`re interested, see the screenshot below for integration of the Oblivion XP level progress bar with HUD Status Bars:

http://www5.pic-upload.de/28.10.10/4pai6fm9f4q6.jpg

Used Mods:

DarNified UI (tweaked to look like Immersive Interface)
Oblivion XP
HUD Status Bars
Immersive Crosshair (made by myself, you`ll notice the yellow dot)

Thanks a lot for HUD Status Bars!

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:13 am

Very nice, but what's this 4.1.5 stuff?

btw, 4.1.7 will be out in a day or two.

» Tue May 17, 2011 8:39 am

For testing purposes I`m using the old Oblivion XP, as I`ve made an OMOD out of it. Have to convert your update to a OMOD, then I can delete 4.1.5. But I guess I`ll wait, because it will be updated in a few days anyway, as you said.

» Tue May 17, 2011 8:37 am

1 and 2 are possible, although 2 will be somewhat limited until I can incorporate new fonts into MenuQue. Atm 3 isn't possible but TheNiceOne's suggestion of hiding any inactive elements would probably work fine. Then again, if I consider all the help you gave me I could easily add an ExertXML (is that the opposite of insert?

) or simply DeleteXML just for you.

It's not hard to make, just a potentionally dangerous function.

Not that it's my mod, but I think defining a number of elements on game start, and reusing those is at least as simple to code, and less resource hungry. It's just to set to false when finished with one, and have a counter that tells the number for the next element to use (which goes back to zero after having used the last).

When adding large numbers of elements it is wise to use InsertXML as few times as possible. Although basically this means you shouldn't insert them 1 at a time, it is a relatively slow function. :shrug:

I was thinking that the choice is to either add 10 (or whatever) number of simple text elements like the one I displayed above, or one file with 10 such elements. But in either case, this is inserted once per game session, in a GetGameRestarted block, so speed isn't an issue.

P.P.S. And ofcourse great work on this mod, TheNiceOne! Still haven't gotten around to install it but that's mainly because I also haven't gotten around to playing Oblivion yet.

Just remember you need to have MenuQue installed

If you`re interested, see the screenshot below for integration of the Oblivion XP level progress bar with HUD Status Bars:

Thanks

I mean to compile all the interesting hud settings, so any examples are welcome.

Thanks a lot for HUD Status Bars!

You're welcome

» Tue May 17, 2011 3:32 am

Just remember you need to have MenuQue installed

Hmmmm, and where might I find this.... 'MenuQue' I hear so much about. ^_^

» Mon May 16, 2011 9:46 pm

Hmmmm, and where might I find this.... 'MenuQue' I hear so much about. ^_^

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=32200

Also here are some status bars I've created (note these are after the encumbrence bar in my ini for placement purposes)
Keep up the good work TNO.

Spoiler

; ===================  Status Bar 5; Display current amount of light falling on the player. THe more filled the bar is the more light is falling on you.; Pontentially usefule information for sneaks.		set tnoHSB.hud_color to sv_Construct	"HUDcolorYellow"	set tnoHSB.hud_val to sv_Construct      "GetActorLightAmount"	set tnoHSB.hud_max to sv_Construct	"100"	set tnoHSB.hud_x to			HUDbars			set tnoHSB.hud_y to			HUDprevBarAbove		SetStage tnoHSB 10 ; Init status bar 5; ===================  Status Bar 6; Display Oblivion Gates Remaining.  The more filled the bar the more gates remain to be closed.													set tnoHSB.hud_color to sv_Construct	"HUDcolorRhubarb*(GetStage MQ16<100)*(OblivionCrisis>0)"			set tnoHSB.hud_val to sv_Construct	"MQ00.destroyedGates"	set tnoHSB.hud_max to sv_Construct	"0"		set tnoHSB.hud_min to sv_Construct	"MQ00.maxOpenGates"		set tnoHSB.hud_x to			HUDbars	set tnoHSB.hud_y to			HUDprevBarAbove	SetStage tnoHSB 10 ; Init status bar 6	; ===================  Status Bar 7; Display the health of the current enemy above the Compass.  Compliments TNO's bar that shows Health above max.; Unlike the default health bar this doesn't disappear until a different enemy is hit or the enemy dies. You can see their health; no matter the distance between them and you, unlike the standard ingame health for the object under the cursor.; Green for 100%-50% health, Yellow for 49%-25% health, Red < 25% health	set tnoHSB.hud_color to sv_Construct	"HUDcolorGreen + 6 *(tnoHSB.frac<0.5) - 2 *(tnoHSB.frac<0.25)"	set tnoHSB.hud_ref to sv_Construct	"hud_enemy"	set tnoHSB.hud_val to sv_Construct	"GetAV Health"	set tnoHSB.hud_max to sv_Construct	"GetBaseAV Health"	set tnoHSB.hud_x to			HUDcompassCenter	set tnoHSB.hud_y to			HUDcompassAbove		SetStage tnoHSB 10 ; Init status bar 7

Edit: Modified light hudbar, as the control to only show when sneaking ( player.IsSneaking >0) didn't seem to be working properly.

» Mon May 16, 2011 10:20 pm

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=32200

Good one. You just provided him with a link to an addon that he is the author of. Unfortunately, sarcasm doesn't come across that well over the internet.

» Tue May 17, 2011 8:28 am

Well, I guess that's what I get when I miss the smiley and don't pay attention to the username. :blush:

» Tue May 17, 2011 11:14 am

Well, I guess that's what I get when I miss the smiley and don't pay attention to the username. :blush:

Well thank you anyways, it's always nice to see helpful people on the net.

» Tue May 17, 2011 1:47 am

See my conflict hunting down thread here at http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1125389-relz-class-advantages/page__view__findpost__p__16598310 downward. There may be a conflict with Class Advantages.
Please test on your systems to see if you get the same lockup/blackscreen lockup.

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:01 pm

TheNiceOne, I am interested with the enemy health bar's feature and would like to ask two questions:

1. From what I understand, HUD Status Bars can replace http://tesnexus.com/downloads/images/34905-3-1286833518.jpg to http://tesnexus.com/downloads/images/34905-1-1286833518.jpg whenever its health is fortified, buffed, or modified in any manner. However, is HUD Status Bars able to replace all health arc -enemy and others alike- to health bars regardless of their health status? Because the current system as I understand is the health bar will always revert to the vanilla health arc whenever the extra health is "done" , and any enemy with normal health will only show "health arc".

2. Is it possible to use this mod to only change the current vanilla http://tesnexus.com/downloads/images/34905-3-1286833518.jpg to enemy health bar, without using any other functions? Sorry, but I'm a bit clueless. :unsure:

Thanks :icecream:

» Mon May 16, 2011 11:05 pm

TheNiceOne, I am interested with the enemy health bar's feature and would like to ask two questions:

1. From what I understand, HUD Status Bars can replace http://tesnexus.com/downloads/images/34905-3-1286833518.jpg to http://tesnexus.com/downloads/images/34905-1-1286833518.jpg whenever its health is fortified, buffed, or modified in any manner. However, is HUD Status Bars able to replace all health arc -enemy and others alike- to health bars regardless of their health status? Because the current system as I understand is the health bar will always revert to the vanilla health arc whenever the extra health is "done" , and any enemy with normal health will only show "health arc".

2. Is it possible to use this mod to only change the current vanilla http://tesnexus.com/downloads/images/34905-3-1286833518.jpg to enemy health bar, without using any other functions? Sorry, but I'm a bit clueless. :unsure:

HUD Status Bars don't have any functionality to change or hide the vanilla health arc, but you can hide it by editing the "Menus\Main\hud_reticle.xml" file. It is not that HSB changes the vanilla health bar in any way, only that it displays its own bar when the vanilla is not displayed.

What you could do (which may or may not look good), is to change the ini settings for HUD Status Bar's enemy health bar, to be displayed all the time during combat, not only when the enemy's health is above normal. If positioned above the vanilla bar, it may mostly hide it, and thereby achieve what you want. The current settings for HSB's enemy health bar, is:

	set tnoHSB.hud_color to sv_Construct		"HUDcolorHealth*(tnoHSB.val>tnoHSB.min)"	; Only display bar if current health > base health	set tnoHSB.hud_ref to sv_Construct			"hud_enemy"									; ref is last attacked enemy	set tnoHSB.hud_val to sv_Construct	 		"GetAV Health"								; Health of last attacked enemy	set tnoHSB.hud_max to sv_Construct			"tnoHSB.enemyMaxHealth"						; A special variable	set tnoHSB.hud_min to sv_Construct			"GetBaseAV Health"							; Base health of enemy	set tnoHSB.hud_size to						50											; Size 40% of normal HUD bar	set tnoHSB.hud_x to							50											; X pos 50 = centered	set tnoHSB.hud_y to							48											; Y pos 48 = just above reticle	SetStage tnoHSB 10 ; Init status bar 4

If you simply change the hud_color definition to "HUDcolorHealth" and hud_min to "0", this bar will be visble any time you fight an enemy, not only when the enemy's health is above its standard health.

Btw, I haven't tried it myself, but the "hud_enemy" ref make it possible to add bars for other enemy stats. Displaying a bar for enemy fatigue could be interesting, at least if you have Realistic Fatigue installed.

» Tue May 17, 2011 3:21 am

HUD Status Bars don't have any functionality to change or hide the vanilla health arc, but you can hide it by editing the "Menus\Main\hud_reticle.xml" file. It is not that HSB changes the vanilla health bar in any way, only that it displays its own bar when the vanilla is not displayed.

What you could do (which may or may not look good), is to change the ini settings for HUD Status Bar's enemy health bar, to be displayed all the time during combat, not only when the enemy's health is above normal. If positioned above the vanilla bar, it may mostly hide it, and thereby achieve what you want. The current settings for HSB's enemy health bar, is:

	set tnoHSB.hud_color to sv_Construct		"HUDcolorHealth*(tnoHSB.val>tnoHSB.min)"	; Only display bar if current health > base health	set tnoHSB.hud_ref to sv_Construct			"hud_enemy"									; ref is last attacked enemy	set tnoHSB.hud_val to sv_Construct	 		"GetAV Health"								; Health of last attacked enemy	set tnoHSB.hud_max to sv_Construct			"tnoHSB.enemyMaxHealth"						; A special variable	set tnoHSB.hud_min to sv_Construct			"GetBaseAV Health"							; Base health of enemy	set tnoHSB.hud_size to						50											; Size 40% of normal HUD bar	set tnoHSB.hud_x to							50											; X pos 50 = centered	set tnoHSB.hud_y to							48											; Y pos 48 = just above reticle	SetStage tnoHSB 10 ; Init status bar 4

If you simply change the hud_color definition to "HUDcolorHealth" and hud_min to "0", this bar will be visble any time you fight an enemy, not only when the enemy's health is above its standard health.

Btw, I haven't tried it myself, but the "hud_enemy" ref make it possible to add bars for other enemy stats. Displaying a bar for enemy fatigue could be interesting, at least if you have Realistic Fatigue installed.

Thanks, I'll try your suggestion the next time I launch Oblivion, and report the results.

Do you know that long ago when I first played Oblivion, I don't even know that enemy has health indicator right on the middle of screen? It wasn't until with the help of Mr.Google much later that I realize that whenever the player "engage" an opponent, a small health arc which turns out to be health indicator will appear right on the middle of the screen! Before that, I usually just "predicted" the enemy strength and sometimes wondered why a particular opponent wouldn't fall even though it took dozens of hits. I guess being used to Morrowind, I thought the health indicator for the enemy will pop up somewhere on the bottom part of screen near the HUD. :facepalm:

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:14 am

This works pretty well, with one drawback: you need to adjust tnoHBD.UpdateInterval to something low, like 0.1, if you want anything like real-time display of the enemy's health.

set tnoHSB.hud_color to sv_Construct	"HUDcolorHealth*(tnoHSB.max>0)" ; this could be adjusted to give different colours as health decreasesset tnoHSB.hud_ref to sv_Construct	"hud_enemy"set tnoHSB.hud_val to sv_Construct	"GetAV Health"set tnoHSB.hud_max to sv_Construct	"tnoHSB.enemyMaxHealth"set tnoHSB.hud_min to sv_Construct	"0"set tnoHSB.hud_size to			50set tnoHSB.hud_x to			50set tnoHSB.hud_y to			48SetStage tnoHSB 10

By the way TNO, any word on being able to suppress the console messages for player.GetEquippedObject?

» Tue May 17, 2011 4:13 am

This works pretty well, with one drawback: you need to adjust tnoHBD.UpdateInterval to something low, like 0.1, if you want anything like real-time display of the enemy's health.

I have tried to make the code as effective as possible though, so unless "RunScriptLine" is a very heavy function to call in itself, I don't think you'll notice anything by doing so.

By the way TNO, any word on being able to suppress the console messages for player.GetEquippedObject?

Yes, the OBSE team added a new parameter to the RunScriptLine function, that if set to 1 will supress messages like this. I intend to add this to all the RunScriptLine calls - unless debug is enabled for the hud bar in question, but that will be with the next update - I will have to fix Enhanced Economy first now

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:41 pm

TheNiceOne, I am interested with the enemy health bar's feature and would like to ask two questions:

1. From what I understand, HUD Status Bars can replace http://tesnexus.com/downloads/images/34905-3-1286833518.jpg to http://tesnexus.com/downloads/images/34905-1-1286833518.jpg whenever its health is fortified, buffed, or modified in any manner. However, is HUD Status Bars able to replace all health arc -enemy and others alike- to health bars regardless of their health status? Because the current system as I understand is the health bar will always revert to the vanilla health arc whenever the extra health is "done" , and any enemy with normal health will only show "health arc".

2. Is it possible to use this mod to only change the current vanilla http://tesnexus.com/downloads/images/34905-3-1286833518.jpg to enemy health bar, without using any other functions? Sorry, but I'm a bit clueless. :unsure:

Thanks :icecream:

Here's my code for that:

Spoiler

; A bar above the target icon that displays the current enemy health. ; This bar is meant to replace the default enemy health bar. Setting tweak in DarnUI prevents vanilla "arc" bar from being seen (you can't disable the health arc in this mod).; Displays above the crosshair.												set tnoHSB.hud_color to sv_Construct		"1*(tnoHSB.val

» Tue May 17, 2011 7:50 am

And now the inevitable feature requests because, as shadeMe can attest, I'm just never satisfied!

Alpha blending would be awesome, especially for the center-HUD stuff, so it doesn't stick out as much. If it could be actively adjusted like color, it would also be nice to keep many bars partly faded until they reach "warning state."

Vertical bars have many applications.

Thinking about center-HUD health/fatigue display is what brought up the idea for me right now... two vertical bars to the left and right of the crosshairs seems like it would be less intrusive than horizontal bars above and below.

The ability to mirror a bar might also have uses for some people, so a horizontal bar fills from right to left, and vertical from top to bottom.

» Tue May 17, 2011 12:18 pm

And now the inevitable feature requests because, as shadeMe can attest, I'm just never satisfied!

Alpha blending would be awesome, especially for the center-HUD stuff, so it doesn't stick out as much. If it could be actively adjusted like color, it would also be nice to keep many bars partly faded until they reach "warning state."

Vertical bars have many applications.

Thinking about center-HUD health/fatigue display is what brought up the idea for me right now... two vertical bars to the left and right of the crosshairs seems like it would be less intrusive than horizontal bars above and below.

The ability to mirror a bar might also have uses for some people, so a horizontal bar fills from right to left, and vertical from top to bottom.

The requests are duly noted, and at least the two first are more a question of when than if. I'm a bit less sure about the latter two, as it would double the number of bar .dds files in order to make them look good, but then again, it's not that much work and don't take very much space either...

» Tue May 17, 2011 9:04 am

And lets not forget the super-secret extra fonts..... :ninja:

» Tue May 17, 2011 2:08 pm

And lets not forget the super-secret extra fonts..... :ninja:

No, let's not forget the fonts.

I did quite a bit of work on adding text in various sizes to the HUD Status Bars yesterday, but it requires someone to finish up MenuQue v4 soon