[RELz] HUD Status Bars : IV

» Mon May 16, 2011 12:08 am

========= HUD Status Bars 1.2 ============; set tnoHSB.hud_2_color to sv_Construct "4" ; cyan
; set tnoHSB.hud_2_val to sv_Construct "RSE.sleepVal"
; set tnoHSB.hud_2_max to sv_Construct "RSE.sleepMax"

...what for the Kuertee Eat feature... ?

» Mon May 16, 2011 12:52 am

wow this is pretty cool now that I've heard more about what you c an do to personalize it. I'll have to figure out ways to use the bars. Question in order to get the bars to do certain things do I need to know how to write scripts? I know nothing when it comes to writing script. I'll download this later when I get home.

At least the _val line must be a one-line script (or the name of a script variable), so you sort of need to understand some scripting basics, but I am happy to help, and people like kyoma can evidently help too.

Well done, theNiceOne!
If I had the energy to update my mods that use my Customisable HUDs, I'd use your mod.

I didn't think you visited the forum any more - good to hear from you.

But if you had the energy to mod, you would probably have updated your Customisable HUD mod to use MenuQue a long time ago

I use "Kuertee eat and sleep 0.62" (with only EAT feature enabled) and RealSleepExtended 2.5.
...
...what for the Kuertee Eat feature... ?

Since the idea is "stolen" from kuertee's Customisable HUD mod, and the two strings defining value and max follows his principle, I just looked up the ini file he created to show his bars, and picked out the evaluateString# and maxValue# variables - and get:

set tnoHSB.hud_3_val to sv_Construct	 	"kEatAndSleepQuest.foodPenalty"set tnoHSB.hud_3_max to sv_Construct		"24"...set tnoHSB.hud_4_val to sv_Construct	 	"kEatAndSleepQuest.sleepPenalty"set tnoHSB.hud_4_max to sv_Construct		"24"

You must of course also set the color for each to the color you want used.

Btw, I haven't mentioned it anywhere, but it is totally safe to have settings (like those for EatAndSleep) without the mod installed. The effect is that if the mod is not installed, HUD Status Bars will disable that bar for the game session, just as you had temporarily removed the settings from the ini.

» Mon May 16, 2011 6:28 am

how does it work with companions, what would I need to type? I've got about 3 or 4 that I've loaded and will start using at some point in the future. Reading that I can use a bar as their health is pretty cool.

» Mon May 16, 2011 4:17 am

Thanks for the quick support TheNiceOne.
I have a working bar hud for Kuertee's mod now.
But: it' s not the same for Real Sleep Extended 2.5. No bar hud i mean

How look my Hud Status Bar.INI :

; ===================  Status Bar 1; Encumbrance: Full bar when having 0 encumbrance, empty bar when you carry too muchset tnoHSB.hud_1_color to sv_Construct		"7"	; Yellowset tnoHSB.hud_1_val to sv_Construct		"tnoHSB.encumbranceLeft"set tnoHSB.hud_1_max to sv_Construct	 	"Player.GetBaseAV Encumbrance"set tnoHSB.hud_1_v_space to 				0; ===================  Status Bar 2; set tnoHSB.hud_2_color to sv_Construct	 "4"    ; Cyan; set tnoHSB.hud_2_val to sv_Construct	 	"RSE.sleepVal"; set tnoHSB.hud_2_max to sv_Construct		"RSE.sleepMax"set tnoHSB.hud_2_v_space to 				0; ===================  Status Bar 3												set tnoHSB.hud_3_color to sv_Construct		"10"	; Orange	set tnoHSB.hud_3_val to sv_Construct	 	"kEatAndSleepQuest.foodPenalty"set tnoHSB.hud_3_max to sv_Construct		"24"set tnoHSB.hud_3_v_space to 				0; ===================  Status Bar 4set tnoHSB.hud_4_color to sv_Construct		""set tnoHSB.hud_4_val to sv_Construct	 	""set tnoHSB.hud_4_max to sv_Construct		""set tnoHSB.hud_4_v_space to 				0....

What i wrong ?

» Mon May 16, 2011 6:31 am

Are you going to be able to add text to the bars without using a crash-causing plugin like Pluggy?

» Mon May 16, 2011 12:00 am

how does it work with companions, what would I need to type? I've got about 3 or 4 that I've loaded and will start using at some point in the future. Reading that I can use a bar as their health is pretty cool.

I guess I spoke a bit soon. It is possible, but maybe not completely useable yet. First the basics, to have a status bar for an NPC's health, one would need:

set tnoHSB.hud_#_val to sv_Construct	 	"%q%q.GetAV Health"set tnoHSB.hud_#_max to sv_Construct		"%q%q.GetBaseAV Health"

Where is the 8-digit formId for that NPC. The formId is even very simple to find, just open the console ingame when you have that NPC in view, and click on it. The 8 digit formId will then be displayed. Write that into the ini file.
The big problem with this, is that the 2 first digits of the formId is the loadorder of the mod from which the NPC comes. So as soon as you change the load order for this mod, you'll have to change the 2 first digits in the ini file too.

This is just my first idea of how to do it though, and I guess there will be ways to retrieve the NPC reference directly from a mod variable in most cases to avoid the load order issue.

» Mon May 16, 2011 12:26 am

ah got it. It's a cool concept though.

» Sun May 15, 2011 11:42 pm

@kyoma

Many thanks for your help, although I opted for the NiceOne's solution.

set tnoHSB.hud_2_val to sv_Construct	"GetPCMajorSkillUps"set tnoHSB.hud_2_max to sv_Construct    "GetGameSetting %qiLevelUpSkillCount%q"

The values get stored in floats, so there's no reason to multiply by 100.

Many thanks - works perfectly - great addition

» Mon May 16, 2011 4:20 am

A minor suggestion for your Nexus descrription - add the urls for OBSE and Menuque. Most people can find them easily enough, but it's very convenient to have a link to click right there.

Love the concept and have dl'd to give it a whirl. Thanks.

» Mon May 16, 2011 4:23 am

I swear the modding community is really on it these days. I've been constantly thinking as of late "wouldn't it be nice if this was done" and BAM. New mod released within a couple of days of that thought.

Thank you so much for this. :tops:

I do have one question though. I've already added Real Hunger Cobl, so naturally since I have FF Real Thirst Cobl, I'd like to know how to add a status bar for that one as well. I don't know the variables, so please forgive my ignorance.

EDIT: Nevermind. Just now realized you had already put them in the bottom of the ini file. Sorry about that. :facepalm:

» Mon May 16, 2011 4:40 am

I've figured out good values for Real Hunger Cobl, FF Real Thirst (Cobl) and Real Sleep Extended. I made the values so that all bars are full when satisfied and on zero when hunger/thirst/tiredness starts to take effect.

Real Hunger Cobl:
set tnoHSB.hud_1_val to sv_Construct "player.getAV Endurance - RHLevel * 10"
set tnoHSB.hud_1_max to sv_Construct "player.getAV Endurance"

FF Real Thirst (Cobl):
set tnoHSB.hud_2_val to sv_Construct "0.1 - aThirstQuest.aThirstRatio"
set tnoHSB.hud_2_max to sv_Construct "0.1"

Real Sleep Extended:
set tnoHSB.hud_3_val to sv_Construct "0 - RSE.tiredness"
set tnoHSB.hud_3_max to sv_Construct "RSE.RSoptimalWake"

» Mon May 16, 2011 7:55 am

Nice one, NiceOne!

I guess I spoke a bit soon. It is possible, but maybe not completely useable yet. First the basics, to have a status bar for an NPC's health, one would need:

set tnoHSB.hud_#_val to sv_Construct	 	"%q%q.GetAV Health"set tnoHSB.hud_#_max to sv_Construct		"%q%q.GetBaseAV Health"

Where is the 8-digit formId for that NPC. The formId is even very simple to find, just open the console ingame when you have that NPC in view, and click on it. The 8 digit formId will then be displayed. Write that into the ini file.
The big problem with this, is that the 2 first digits of the formId is the loadorder of the mod from which the NPC comes. So as soon as you change the load order for this mod, you'll have to change the 2 first digits in the ini file too.

This is just my first idea of how to do it though, and I guess there will be ways to retrieve the NPC reference directly from a mod variable in most cases to avoid the load order issue.

Could you have the user enter the name of the mod in the ini file, and "xxABC123" for the NPCs formid? Then you could parse it in your script with IsModLoaded and GetModIndex and such.

If you're looking for features to add, I have a couple of suggestions. Here's http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/6245/screenshot51d.jpg using DarkUId DarN and kuertee's CHUDC. You'll see I have my extra bars to the left of the vanilla bars instead of having them pile up into the playing area, and if you look closely you can see a bar under the spell icon - that's my casting chance using tejon's Fizzle. I used to have a toggling sneak icon that didn't change alpha if you were spotted, but kyoma made that obsolete with his DarN tweaks.

I think it would be great if you could add something like an X- and Y-offset (either relative to one of the vanilla HUD bars or from a corner of the screen), and an option to scale the bars like I've done with the bar under the spell icon.

Oh, and just thought of another feature that may or may not be in the purview of this mod: a (small) bar under the weapon durability bar that shows the current weapon's charges. In the ini it could just be set up a something like

set tnoHSB.hud_#_val to sv_Construct	 	"WeaponCharge"

and again you could parse it in the script and if a bar is set up to monitor charges you just get the info from the equipped weapon...

(ps to all: yes that's a custom icon that I made for statttis' Custom Spell Icons. I'm working with him to release my tweaks eventually)

» Mon May 16, 2011 12:45 pm

So, this is pretty darn awesome. However - how do I use it? I've been trying to get a bar going for Fizzle!'s spell chance. A quick google found me a post saying that kuertee's mod could use Fizzle.chance - no luck there. Looking through the script found me a tejonFizzleScript, but tejonFizzleScript.chance did not, alas, result in a bar appearing (Nice job on the other bars working perfectly, despite the others screwing up, though).

Basically - what sort of variables can we use, and how do we find them? Can we reference any variable declared at the top of any script, or is there something else to it?

edit: Quest variables! I get it, the quest's script contains the variables, you refer to them through the quest.
Tejon's quest is called tejonFizzle - tejonFizzle.chance gives me a lovely spellcasting chance bar! Thank you

» Mon May 16, 2011 2:08 am

Thanks for all the ini setting ideas. I will try to wrap them up and add them to the first post when I get time to look thoroughly through them, but now I'm too busy working on v 1.0 of the mod

Could you have the user enter the name of the mod in the ini file, and "xxABC123" for the NPCs formid? Then you could parse it in your script with IsModLoaded and GetModIndex and such.

The next version will have one optional new line, and here's a (working) example of how you can use it for setting up health bar for any NPC:

set tnoHSB.hud_1_ref to sv_Construct		"GetFormFromMod %qOblivion.esm%q %q01D15A%q"set tnoHSB.hud_1_val to sv_Construct		"GetAV Health"set tnoHSB.hud_1_max to sv_Construct	 	"GetBaseAV Health"

The _ref line is completely optional, but if included, sets up a reference variable that the two other lines are run on. In this example, the reference is the owner of A Fighting Chance (don't remember her name now), but you can replace with any companion esp file, and <01D15A> with the 6 last digits of the companion's formId. ...or something else.

The _ref line is optional, if you omit it, the reference variable will be the player, so that you can more easily do things with the player too.

If you're looking for features to add, I have a couple of suggestions. Here's http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/6245/screenshot51d.jpg using DarkUId DarN and kuertee's CHUDC. You'll see I have my extra bars to the left of the vanilla bars instead of having them pile up into the playing area, and if you look closely you can see a bar under the spell icon - that's my casting chance using tejon's Fizzle. I used to have a toggling sneak icon that didn't change alpha if you were spotted, but kyoma made that obsolete with his DarN tweaks.

I think it would be great if you could add something like an X- and Y-offset (either relative to one of the vanilla HUD bars or from a corner of the screen), and an option to scale the bars like I've done with the bar under the spell icon.

Thanks for the ideas. I will not add something like this to 1.0, but I will think of ways to have options for exact placement and resizing, without removing the default auto-setup. So this will probably be possible later.

Oh, and just thought of another feature that may or may not be in the purview of this mod: a (small) bar under the weapon durability bar that shows the current weapon's charges. In the ini it could just be set up a something like

set tnoHSB.hud_#_val to sv_Construct	 	"WeaponCharge"

and again you could parse it in the script and if a bar is set up to monitor charges you just get the info from the equipped weapon...

This one has been requested by a couple of others already, and have given me a big headache, without leading to anymore than a question in the OBSE thread yet

The problem is that the weapon's max charge function is called on a base object, and I don't get base object references to work in the RunScriptLine functions needed. If nothing else, I will end up with a special variable for currentWeaponMaxCharge in the mod.

(ps to all: yes that's a custom icon that I made for statttis' Custom Spell Icons. I'm working with him to release my tweaks eventually)

Looks great

» Mon May 16, 2011 1:23 am

Hi,

I am now close to finished with version 1.0. There were no (known) bugs to fix from 0.9, but there were two main areas I worked on for 1.0: Addition of text, and a much more powerful engine for creating the values.

I want some input about how to have it in the ini file though. I have two (main) possibilities - the first is to have all settings in one place, and the second is to only have the absolutely necessary settings at the top, and then have the additonal, optional settings further down, possibly commented out.

Here are all possible individual settings for each bar in 1.0:

set tnoHSB.hud_1_color to sv_Construct		""	; Set color as defined above, or as an expression to change color depending on some variablesset tnoHSB.hud_1_val to sv_Construct	 	""	; Set current value as an expressionset tnoHSB.hud_1_max to sv_Construct		""	; Set max value, either as a number, or as an expressionset tnoHSB.hud_1_v_space to 			0	; Additional vertical space between this bar and the bar below it.set tnoHSB.hud_1_ref to sv_Construct		""	; Set a reference. Only needed for more complex expressions where val or max are computed from a reference (like a weapon or NPC).set tnoHSB.hud_1_name to sv_Construct		""	; Set displayed name for barset tnoHSB.hud_1_textPos to 			-1	; Position of text. Overrides the general textPos if >= 0, see possible values for it aboveset tnoHSB.hud_1_textDisplay to			-1	; How to display value in text. Overrides the general textDisplay if >= 0, see possible values for it aboveset tnoHSB.hud_#_textColor to sv_Construct	""	; Overrides the general textColor, see possible values for it above

So I'm considering splitting this in two, and move all except the three first settings down to an "advanced" section, where they are commented out, just to avoid overwhelming new users with much info. So what do you think?

The more powerful engine for values are pretty much finished and tested, and I'm quite happy with it: Here are three tested examples:

; =================== Status Bar 1
; Display current charge of equipped weapon. Hide bar if you don't have an enchanted weapon equipped.

set tnoHSB.hud_1_color to sv_Construct	"8*(tnoHSB.max>0)"			; 8 (purple) if the player has an enchanted weapon equipped. 0 (bar is hidden), if not.set tnoHSB.hud_1_ref to sv_Construct		"Player.GetEquippedObject 16"		; Set reference to the equipped weapon's base IDset tnoHSB.hud_1_val to sv_Construct		"Player.GetEquippedCurrentCharge 16"	; Set val to current charge of equipped weaponset tnoHSB.hud_1_max to sv_Construct	 	"GetObjectCharge hud_ref"		; Get object charge (max charge) of the base IDset tnoHSB.hud_1_name to sv_Construct		"Ch: "set tnoHSB.hud_1_textPos to 			0					; Text position above bar, left-adjustedset tnoHSB.hud_1_textDisplay to			1					; Display name + val.set tnoHSB.hud_1_textColor to sv_Construct	"tnoHSB.color"				; Set text color to bar color (purple)

; =================== Status Bar 2
; Display current Encumbrance. Bar is full when you carry nothing. Color is orange, but changes to red when you carry more than 50% of capacity. No text

set tnoHSB.hud_2_color to sv_Construct		"5+(tnoHSB.frac >= 0.5)*5"			; Set color as defined above, or as an expression to change color depending on some variablesset tnoHSB.hud_2_val to sv_Construct	 	"(GetBaseAV Encumbrance)-(GetAV Encumbrance)"	; Player is default reference when hud_#_ref is not defined.set tnoHSB.hud_2_max to sv_Construct		"GetBaseAV Encumbrance"

; =================== Status Bar 3
; Display current health of an Rohssan, the owner of A Fighting Chance, but could display for any mod-added NPC. Uses default text position.

set tnoHSB.hud_3_color to sv_Construct		"4 + (tnoHSB.frac < 0.3)*8"			; Color is cyan, but changes to rhubarb if health drops below 30%set tnoHSB.hud_3_ref to sv_Construct		"GetFormFromMod %qOblivion.esm%q %q01D15A%q"	; Rohssan, but could be any mod-added companion tooset tnoHSB.hud_3_val to sv_Construct		"GetAV Health"					; The defined ref is default referenceset tnoHSB.hud_3_max to sv_Construct	 	"GetBaseAV Health"set tnoHSB.hud_3_textColor to sv_Construct	"4"					        ; Always cyan colorset tnoHSB.hud_3_name to sv_Construct		"Rohssan: "								set tnoHSB.hud_3_textDisplay to			3					        ; Will display "Rohssan:  of "

I plan to get version 1.0 out this evening, or tomorrow. The final(?) step of this mod will be to add custom positioning and sizing of the bars - integrated into the auto-placement for ease of use. I intend to allow Tekuromoto's example setup by just saying in the ini file that bar 3 is to be to the left of standard bars (with 2 and 1 automatically above it), and bar 4 auto-sized and auto-placed below spell icon.

» Mon May 16, 2011 1:03 pm

Oehhhhh, looks pretty amazing!

» Mon May 16, 2011 9:30 am

ooh, conditionals. Absolutely brilliant, well looking forward to 1.0!

Back here in 0.9, though, I'm having trouble with the Real Hunger, Cobl bar - apparently there's no such thing as RHhungerThreshold, though there is an RHHungerQuest.RHhungerThreshold, which, looking through the script, appears to be the right value - but the bar then goes about ~2/3rds full when an apple and a piece of small bread fills me up. That seems a bit off, to me - but I do have a fairly low endurance, so I suppose it could be correct. Thinking about it further, threshhold is probably the value for when you start getting attribute drains, meaning that it probably is correct, and actually my problem has absolutely nothing to do with this mod, which is doing what it was asked perfectly - I just didn't know what I was asking.
Ah well.

» Mon May 16, 2011 5:59 am

Hi,

One point about the text additions for v. 1.0: One thing I'm not particularly happy about (but don't think can be fixed), is that the Oblivion fonts cannot be resized. So I cannot make the text smaller than the smallest installed Oblivion font, which even with Darnified UI (which install more smaller fonts) is darn large. It is tolerable for standard-sized vanilla/BTmod bars, but the text becomes too big for minimalistic Darn setups, at least bigger than I'm happy with.

So I'm wondering if anyone knows anything to do about it. I believe the only solution would be to add a new, smaller Oblivion font, and I really have no idea of how to do that. But I'd appreciate any help in that regard.

Thanks for the quick support TheNiceOne.
I have a working bar hud for Kuertee's mod now.
But: it' s not the same for Real Sleep Extended 2.5. No bar hud i mean

...
What i wrong ?

Sorry I overlooked your question. Your problem is that the lines for RSE is commented out in your ini. Remove the semicolon in front of them to use them.

I've figured out good values for Real Hunger Cobl, FF Real Thirst (Cobl) and Real Sleep Extended. I made the values so that all bars are full when satisfied and on zero when hunger/thirst/tiredness starts to take effect.
...
FF Real Thirst (Cobl):
set tnoHSB.hud_2_val to sv_Construct "0.1 - aThirstQuest.aThirstRatio"
set tnoHSB.hud_2_max to sv_Construct "0.1"
...

I really agree that the bars should be full when satisfied, good idea. I'm wondering about your Real Thirst suggestion though. From looking at its code I see that aThirstRatio goes from 0 (best) to 1 (worst), yet you make the bar empty already when aThirstRatio becomes 0.1, which is only 10% of the way it can go. Is that a typo, or is it because the penalties start kicking in at 0.1 (and reach max at 1.0) and that you wanted the bar to become empty when penalties kick in?

If so, an alternative could be to let the bar go all the way, but change color on the point that the penalty kicks in.

ooh, conditionals. Absolutely brilliant, well looking forward to 1.0!

Thanks

Back here in 0.9, though, I'm having trouble with the Real Hunger, Cobl bar - apparently there's no such thing as RHhungerThreshold, though there is an RHHungerQuest.RHhungerThresholdwhich, looking through the script, appears to be the right value - but the bar then goes about ~2/3rds full when an apple and a piece of small bread fills me up. That seems a bit off, to me - but I do have a fairly low endurance, so I suppose it could be correct.

Thanks for informing me. I'll change the suggested settings for Real Hunger accordingly

» Mon May 16, 2011 1:07 pm

I want some input about how to have it in the ini file though. I have two (main) possibilities - the first is to have all settings in one place, and the second is to only have the absolutely necessary settings at the top, and then have the additonal, optional settings further down, possibly commented out.

Keep 'em all together... otherwise you'll have to deal with a lot of "I can't find the setting to change the text for bar 5!" type of complaints.

Looks pretty awesome... can't wait for the full thing!

I had another thought re: hunger mods and such. Would it be possible to specify "empty" and "full" values, instead of assuming the bar is empty at 0? That way it could be set up so that the bar is full when RealismMod.Hungry == 0, and empty when it's 18 and penalties kick in (using a made-up example...) I guess the script will need to work a little differently if empty > full than it currently does where empty = 0 and full > empty.

» Mon May 16, 2011 6:28 am

Keep 'em all together... otherwise you'll have to deal with a lot of "I can't find the setting to change the text for bar 5!" type of complaints.

Hmm, maybe you're right...

Looks pretty awesome... can't wait for the full thing!

Can't wait to do it all either

I had another thought re: hunger mods and such. Would it be possible to specify "empty" and "full" values, instead of assuming the bar is empty at 0? That way it could be set up so that the bar is full when RealismMod.Hungry == 0, and empty when it's 18 and penalties kick in (using a made-up example...) I guess the script will need to work a little differently if empty > full than it currently does where empty = 0 and full > empty.

You can achieve that now pretty easily. If a hunger mod's value goes from 0-100 where 0 is full and 100 is empty, you can just set the val to "100-value" instead of "value".

» Mon May 16, 2011 1:11 pm

You can achieve that now pretty easily. If a hunger mod's value goes from 0-100 where 0 is full and 100 is empty, you can just set the val to "100-value" instead of "value".

Ahh... simple and effective!

; Set color as defined above, or as an expression to change color depending on some variables

I missed that bit the first time through. Now that is neat!

» Mon May 16, 2011 3:58 am

Ahh... simple and effective!

...though when thinking about it, I think the addition of an optional hud_#_min line could be useful, for situations where the value is to be displayed as text. The ini setting examples above has the Encumbrance bar going from full at 0 encumbrance to empty at full encumbrance, but that also means that if one enable the value as text, it will say "Enc: 100 of 400" when your Encumbrance is 300, since val is max-current.

So having an optional hud_#_min line (optional, since it is 0 if omitted) is a good idea

Anyway, I will not release 1.0 before the font "problem" is concluded upon (see the OBSE thread), so I may get time to add this in.

I missed that bit the first time through. Now that is neat!

:)

» Mon May 16, 2011 5:28 am

I may add more (optional) positioning control in the future. But are you aware that the mod already have optional vertical spacing between bars? It has one setting for additional vertical space between the health bar and the new bars, and one setting for each new bar for additional vertical space between that bad and the one below it.

That's all well and good, but having horizontal control would also be nice. I'm using a wide screen monitor at a resolution of 1920 x 1200, so I have lots of places I could add a bunch of bars. It would get rather cluttered if they were all confined to the same general area. The ability to adjust the size of the bars would also be nice, the way that Kuertee did with his HUD bars. I'd still be using his except that he relied on the Pluggy HUD elements to make them work, which caused problems in my game. I get the impression that MenuQue doesn't have the same issues.

PS: I noticed that you will be adding text soon. You should definitely think about adding the ability to change the size of the bar then. With Kuertee's HUD mod, I figured out how to resize his bars so that they were so small they were no longer visible on the screen. This left only the text itself displayed, which allowed for some valuable HUD info to be shown that wouldn't necessarily make sense in a bar format, or would simply add unnecessary clutter to the screen.

» Mon May 16, 2011 5:58 am

TheNiceOne:
What's with the font example you posted on Nexus?

» Mon May 16, 2011 2:01 am

I put the text on hold, awaiting help from scruggsywuggsy + kyoma for the font problem (I need to be able to use smaller fonts than the 5 available), so I turned my attention to positioning, and I am quite proud of what I'm doing if I may say so myself

In the next version, there will be a few new settings available for each bar, and I have just implemented and tested two of them: hud_x and hud_y. The two settings in themselves may not seem much, but how they can be used is what I am proud of...

hud_x can have the following values:
* 0-100: Horizontal positioning, where 0 is left side and 100 is right side of screen.
* HUDdefault: (or not set) same X position as previous bar
* HUDbarLeft: to the left of the previous bar
* HUDbarRight: to the right of the previous bar
* HUDweaponLeft: to the left of the weapon icon
* HUDweaponRight: to the right of the weapon icon
* HUDweaponCenter: centered above/below the weapon icon
* HUDmagicLeft: to the left of the magic icon
* HUDmagicRight: to the right of the magic icon
* HUDmagicCenter: centered above/below the magic icon
* HUDcompassLeft: to the left of the compass
* HUDcompassRight: to the right of the compass
* HUDcompassCenter: centered above/below the compass

hud_y can have the following values:
* 0-100: Vertical positioning, where 0 is top and 100 is bottom of screen.
* HUDbarAbove: Above the previous bar, with normal bar spacing
* HUDbarBelow: Below the previous bar, with normal bar spacing
* HUDdefault: (or not set), above/below previous bar, as per last set vertical direction
* HUDbarHigh: Same height as health icon
* HUDbarLow: Same height as fatigue icon
* HUDweaponAbove: Above the weapon icon
* HUDweaponBelow: Below the weapon icon
* HUDweaponCenter: Same height as middle of weapon icon
* HUDmagicAbove: Above the magic icon
* HUDmagicBelow: Below the magic icon
* HUDmagicCenter: Same height as middle of magic icon
* HUDcompassAbove: Above the compass
* HUDcompassBelow: Below the compass
* HUDcompassCenter: Same height as middle of compass

I will maybe add some more too, but those are currently working. But this means that to set up the positioning of the bars similar to http://img831.imageshack.us/img831/6245/screenshot51d.jpg, all you need is:

;bar 1	set tnoHSB.hud_x to		HUDbarLeft		set tnoHSB.hud_y to		HUDbarLow; bar 2 needs no positioning, it automatically places itself above bar 1 by default; bar 3 needs no positioning, it automatically places itself above bar 2 by default; bar 4	set tnoHSB.hud_x to		HUDmagicCenter	set tnoHSB.hud_y to		HUDmagicBelow	set tnoHSB.hud_size to		HUDmagicSize

That's all which is needed, and it will work for all the different UI huds and altered sizes/positions