We thought so at first, but apparently not

Probably not. Lady N and the Elk have expressed disapproval of taking the Summoning Day Letters seriously, so unless they're playing a very cunning game of subterfuge, it's probably unrelated.

What about DMK? Dibe-Mara-Kin, our mothers in the Around-Us.

Ok, the egg or six times the wise is probably Vivec - 3x6=18 (and 3&6 make 36!)


Sword in the center - found in the scripture of love:

The lover is the highest country and a series of beliefs. He is the sacred city bereft of a double. The uncultivated land of monsters is the rule. This is clearly attested by ANU and his double, which love knows never really happened. Similarly, all the other symbols of absolute reality are ancient ideas ready for their graves, or at least the essence of such. This scripture is directly ordered by the codes of Mephala, the origin of six and murder, defeated only by those who take up those ideas without my intervention. The religious elite is not a tendency or a correlation. They are dogma complemented by the influence of the untrustworthy sea and the governance of the stars, dominated at the center by the sword, which is nothing without a victim to cleave unto. This is the love of God and he would show you more: predatory but at the same time instrumental to the will of critical harvest, a scenario by which one becomes as he is, of male and female, the magic hermaphrodite.”

I find that difficult to interpret.

There is a part of the Loveletter that deals with that paragraph:


We begin to see the first inkling of emergence, which by its nature requires the merging of two-fold powers. Inevitably, this leads to another gradient, but this time by forceful process: the Trap of the Lunar God. The Aedra are Named at this time, having lent their hands to what was to be the arena of the eternally impossible: Mundus, or Exactness.
Oblivion to Mundus: debris of all possibility to anchor of all things.

Actually, that possibly refers to the creation of the world and the deaths that were necessary to bring it into being.

Also, perhaps 4.5, halfway between the corners of creation and the troubles, represents the new universe.

The House of Troubles is bounded by Malacath, Sheogorath, Mehrunes Dagon and Molag Bal.

What are the five corners of the world? The surrounding lands? Yokuda, Atmora, Akavir, Thras and Pyandonaea? Or what?

Vehk refers to five corners of the world in his sermons.

A map has four corners. What is the fifth? North South East West...Up?

A pentagonal map?

When I try to translate the numbers, I end up with nonsense.


The Captive Sage = Anu/Padomay + Shezzar = Sharmat/Hortator duality + The deaths of the aedra = Vivec
With the addition of the point between The Corners of House of Troubles and The Corners of the World.

Gibberish or a clue?


I need a break from this. Good luck all.

Did the Chimer ever recognize any particular Aedra?

And I feel http://www.imperial-library.info/content/walking-ways-0 is a good thing to link, here. Should we be focusing on the first or the last Walking Way? Or something else entirely?

No, unless Lorkhan counts.

"3: “The third walking path explores hysteria without fear. The efforts of madmen are a society of itself, but only if they are written. The wise may substitute one law for another, even into incoherence, and still say he is working within a method. This is true of speech and extends to all scripture.” - Sermon 27

Sermon 27, which just as sermon 23 discusses the Second path as a sword discusses the Third path as a word. Going back to sermon 6, we see that we can also attribute either “the dead,” “Animal life,” or “preceded by a wolf” to the Third walking way. "

^This is interesting to me. Death. Madmen. Hysteria without fear.

Anyway, I'm sending my brain on a vacation.

Question: what level of influence would someone who achieves Amaranth have on Mundus?

That is... would they achieve Amaranth and then vanish from the present- i.e. we're looking for something that vanished at some point but was around before then? Or would they vanish entirely, and there would be only echoes of their ever having existed at all? Or would they actually "vanish"? Could they still be around to this day, just dormant?

(Assuming it's a "they" at all, given MK's comment about person/place/thing. Substitute appropriate pronouns).

Classically, enantiomorph involves three actors, the passive slate of Nirn, Tamriel, Cyrodiil generally being disregarded. These three actors are associated with the Warrior (King), Mage (Witness) and Thief (Rebel). What does that make the fourth actor? And can we use some derivative model to determine what the Mage in A/P was? Speaking of which, was Anu or Padhome the King? Or were they both simultaneously King and Rebel, enacting dual, instantaneous enantiomorphs from opposite directions?

If a being acting as both King and Rebel was overthrown while overthrowing another being acting as Rebel and King, would the Two split four times in half?

I am guessing they would have existed at one time, then vanished irrecoverably from the way that MK has worded it. For some reason, as with Chimere Graegyn, coming back from your dream state appears to be a big no-no.

As in, they would have no influence on the Mundus whatsoever.

Which re-raises a question I asked earlier: who or what do we know that has simply disappeared from the Aurbis?

I've always thought the Scarab was Lorkhan.

Me too, to be honest.

A thought- if we're looking for something opposite to Nir, http://uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Words_of_Clan_Mother_Ahnissi paints Nirni and Azurah as enemies and rivals... is it possible this is relevant?

Probably not, but I feel like we're running low on ideas here.

That crossed my mind as well, but Azura wouldn't really fit the bill. Then I wondered about "Second Secret and taught them the value of secrets", but that would be highly lame nor is it really named.