Here we go again.

Accumulated Kirkbride Klues:










Others have submitted the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/thirty-six-lessons-vivec-sermon-twenty-nine and speculation regarding the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/effects-elder-scrolls and http://www.imperial-library.info/content/ruminations-elder-scroll effects of the http://www.imperial-library.info/content/accounting-elder-scrolls.

And...go!

Nice summary!

I posted this at the end of the last thread: anyone want to help decipher the numbers?


Lets try and squeeze some info out of the numbers.

The "captive sage" consists of the enantiomorph and the missing (the missing witness I presume)

The sum of the enantiomorph and missing witness is "the number of the master" (i.e. 1 and 1, sharmat and hortator, possibly another representation of enantiomorph) 11 is considered a "master number" in numerology as well. http://www.tokenrock.com/numerology/master_numbers.php

The number of the master, 1+1=11, combined with the sword at the center (amaranth?) = the egg or six times the wise (I'm thinking about vivec's egg, or argonian egg-cracking)

The next number is 4.5, halfway between aedra and daedra, the egg divided by four.

If we weigh ourselves down with anolysis of what the numbers are structurally, I fear we may follow the Dwemer in forgetting what they represent metaphorically.

That said, where do we draw that line?

Anybody put forth Dyus?

From a different launching point, what is MK getting at here:

2) This annoying MK person says that the original creation, Nir, the Enantiomorphic witness figure, and a buncha numbers are important to locating said Amaranth

3) But he never said that this Amaranth dreamt the Aurbis as we know it, so why the importance of 2?

Our dreamer isn't dreaming our world but another, so why is the original creation, first enantiomorph witness etc. important?

Inspiration?

Because the witness was blinded by creation and then proceeded to dream (sensory deprivation etc)? This doesn't help with its identity, just means that the hallucinations are more closed off from the Dreamer. Might be the Dreamer is dreamed by the Amaranth in order to dream the Amaranth... still, leads to circular definitions, which, while stably built and pretty, are just lines with holes in them and are thus deeply unsatisfying.

Or perhaps there was another world, a parallel. Equally valid to our own branching from another dreamer at the Anu-Padomay level.

Apparently I'm on to something will 11. Here's some more numerology info:

"In Numerology, Master Number 11 represents the "Spiritual Messenger." Those carrying an 11 in their chart are in some way, or possibly every way, on a journey of spiritual enlightenment meant to bring divine insights to us all.

Much is expected of those carrying an 11 Life Path Number. is the journey of the Spiritual Messenger. is meant to explore and come to understand life's spiritual mysteries. As wisdom grows, will share vision with all of humankind."

So 11 is destiny and enlightenment. We also know that it represents duality - two opposites that can not be distinguished (except by the witness)

Can we enumerate every character, force, god, plane, planet and principality that exists in the Elder Scrolls franchise and try to figure it out from there?

So we're getting into multi-verse theory? Yaaay. Infinite possibilities, how do you choose one? You (even accidentally) choose one that feels familiar, the Amaranth's dream mirrors the godheads to some extent.

It has to be someone sort of obscured, we know who it is and maybe what he/it is, but cant know whether hes amaranth now seeing as now he should be gone. We can eliminate those who died, ascended, are conventional gods so and so

What kills me is that he's been goading us about it since this:



And no one ever figured it out. What do you think blind/maimed = = final decision refers to?

My thinking: one of the ideas witnesses its own creation, is blinded, becomes Amaranth. Has to be one of the numbers. Which one, why?

We can play the elimination game. It's not 2, unless the enantiomorph was it's own witness.

9 "The Missing"... the missing god? Ninth divine? Shezzar?

What is the sword at the center?

If it existed in the beginning, back when Nir, Padhome and Anu were doing their thing, then it seems unlikely that it still exists in the same form.

Perhaps a mortal mantled this force, and through it reached CHIM and Amaranth?

But we are making a presumption when we assume that our Amaranth is the missing witness.

"This annoying MK person says that the original creation, Nir, the Enantiomorphic witness figure, and a buncha numbers are important to locating said Amaranth"

What does the primal enantiomorph tell us about the world? What do the numbers tell us? Where do they lead? They must be coordinates. They must point in some direction. What pattern do all these shapes form?

Let's try to step back a bit further. Encompass everything simultaneously.

It can. From a hidden hall in the Temple:

the Amaranth is the new universe that will have no witness but itself and its parents (who will be forgotten as relics of the last of the old kind of kalpas).

Note that the text reads "goes blind OR is maimed."

Whatever happened, it is the action by which the world was set in the stone of myth, but the wording implies that it can only be one of the two.

Innnteresting. Perhaps the witness is 11 - the Anu/Padomay merged dichotomy.

Maybe the speculation is making me lose my mind, but what if there was something before Nir? A Lilith figure.

Have we already tried guessing Magnus? I thought he was the go-to guy for being a witness of creation.

wrong enantiomorph

Did we ever close the case on Pelinal's identity?

From the future, not the past

I'm not sure that we should be looking for a character. More like a personified place or idea.

deleted. wrong thread.

Does this puzzle have something to do with this one :

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1249697-on-boethiahs-summoning-day/page__view__findpost__p__19037086

http://www.gamesas.com/topic/1249697-on-boethiahs-summoning-day/page__view__findpost__p__19051230