.....omg....epic. Imagine how cool that'd be! Then you cast it too to even things out. OMG I want that kind of shout battle!

Hmm... I didn't know that. I forgot: did Silence actually robs you of any capability to cast any magic?

It's out of your league but it applies. The Nevarine and the LDB have sparred before in a past life. The LDB is basically Lorkhan without his heart. When Nerevar beat Ysmir he had his heart. He was at full power and still lost. So it stands to reason that if they fought again the Nervarine would win.

The LDB isn't a reincarnation of Ysmir.

Yeah, it would.
I can imagine myself panicking if Miraak ever pulled that one on me during the fight

I never did like that argument simply for two reasons. One, dovahkiin is likely stronger than Wulfharth and has more control, and two nerevarine isn't nerevar. We don't know for sure that he knows what nerevar knows, but if he did, its not canon that nerevarine is even a mage. My nerevarine was a warrior. You can know how to do something without having the ability to do it. For instance, I know that flapping my upper appendages is how birds fly. But I still dont have the ability to do so.

Not directly, but they're both Shezarrine.

I don't think Dovahkiin is Lorkhan without his heart. He's the child of Akatosh. I thought Ysmir had something to do with Talos/Lorkhan, not Akatosh?

Did Ysmir have access to Shouts back then?

I don't know who would win Elder Scrolls lore wise, but between my Nerevarine, Champion of Cyrodiil, and Dovahkiin, it probably goes Dovahkiin > Champion of Cyrodiil > Nereverine

If my characters were all to fight each other.

Oh yes...according to Vivec anyway.

Believed to be.

Keeping in mind that reincarnation is one of the walking ways and the LDB is more likely travelling down the mantle road.

You don't like my argument Colonel? It's still valid. The Nerevarine is Indoril Nerevar reincarnated. I'm not arguing about how reincarnation works, but about who would win in hypothetical match between the Nerevarine and the LDB. They both fought and Nerevar won. Not only is it in the 36 Lessons, but in the 5 Songs of King Wulfharth.

All the Nerevarine has to do is cast silence and bam, Dovahkiin can't shout. The Thu'um is just magic and silence negates all magic sooo yea. Also the Nerevarine could have the ebony arrows of slaying, those arrows could one shot all the end-game bosses which were way more tough then the weaklings we got in skyrim, cept Miraak. Also if you want to believe the Nerevarine achieved CHIM by using the 36 lessons of Vivec as a guide since the lessons basically detail how Vehk achieved CHIM.

Hmm... we have Shouts that can:
-Deal massive collateral damage
-Slows time itself
-Zombify people
-Confuse the ever loving crap out of dragons
-Insult conveniently from afar
-Hypnotize animals
-Blow people away
-Throw weapons out of people's hands

How can we even lose?


I guess you can stick it to Nerevar having access to more spells? They can fly back in Vivec's era

Eh, Dovahkiin has access to Fortify Enchantment 1 gajillion, so I'd say he's the winner
Fortify Health 1 Gajillion
Fortify Heavy Armor 1 Gajillion
Fortify Stamina 1 Gajillion
Fortify One Handed 1 Gajillion
Fortify Healing Rate 1 Gajillion

Yep, no amount of Fortify Speed can match those.

I don't like it because I dont see LDB as Wulfharth reincarnated and even if they were, past lives dont apply because they are vastly different. I dont think the reincarnation theory no matter how it works applies to a vs convo.

It would still make them the same. Walk like them till they walk like you.

Slow time, dodge. Lob head off.

Not if the Nerevarine casts silence in the few seconds it takes to say the shout or if the nerevarine combines silence and paralyze.

Nerevarine is supposed to be a Shezzarine who can also shout. Of course, I doubt he's killed any dragons. Furthermore, the LDB is walking as Lorkhan until Lorkhan walks like him. And we've all heard stories of how Nords didn't see Tiber as a human, but instead as a https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/439516/Skyrim/2013-02-20_00005.jpg.

He could say the first word instead of all three. Game over still.

pointless argument i must say, because then it essentially comes down to who hits first, so then both have an equal chance of winning

the thu'um is vastly underrated IMO, although i haven't played morrowind, and don't know much about the nerevarine

The LDB is NOT mantling Lorkhan, I get how many people want the whole mantling storyline for the LDB but they are not doing the same thing the souls that make up Talos did most notably the LDB did not conquer Tamriel or any land. I'd say that every theory about them mantling lorkhan or becoming the next Talos can be dismissed seeing as the LDB did not walk like Talos until Talos walked like him.


Pretty much, we're all assuming it's a head-to-head match, my Nerevarine rarely went head first into battle same for my Dovahkiin. Really we are talking about the two as if there is a canon form of them instead of our own characters from the games.

Again, back in Oblivion days it was rumored that the Nerevarine was a Shezzarine: Lorkhan's great revenge on the tribunal and Dagoth Ur for abusing his heart. But the Nerevarine isn't going to become part of Talos. The LDB is.

The nerevarine also is not canonically a mage. He could be a warrior.