As per to your fix. I mean everyone's an expert in the comparisons they make between genres, games, game mechanics, and various theories etc. And everyone is too cynical too. I guess I'm too optimistic about everything in general.

Ok. Here's an idea. You hover nearby an opponent within a certain range and the longer you are within that range. The more damage your melee attack inflicts. Kind of like a preparation bonus. Not saying it'd be feasible in brink but that could be an interesting mechanic in a shooter that is actually more stealth based.

Contrary to popular belief, it IS possible to be too optimistic. No matter how optimistic someone is, I don't think they would leave the keys to your car on the hood in the middle of Detroit. But people don't call that "optimistic" they call it "naive".

But anyway, I don't think remaining hopeful about games is a bad thing per se, but I've seen games try to add advanced melee combat systems into games, and it was just never my cup of tea. It can even be done well, but in an FPS game, I don't like having to stop using my gun or be at a disadvantage when a guy gets within a certain range. You are confusing people's dislike of the idea with cynicism.

Me myself I would like to see the melee be pretty limited. But for there to be some unique options in which you get the chance to pull off a cool kill possibly using melee. All the examples I'm thinking of all involve super limited situations and are not like CoD ONESTABfest or anything like something comes up to you and start melee molesting you to death. :toughninja:

MW2 kniving was ridicious. Since when did soldiers learn to flash step? :bolt:

Melee is best used with stealth in my humble opinion. If some idiot is charging you with a knife you should be able to mow him down fairly easy. If someone sneaks up from behind or above for that matter he would have the advantage.

I stopped playing online on MW2 because there was always some little kid running in circles stabbing everyone. And then another shooting the noob tube in random directions. :brokencomputer:

Don't forget the people randomly throwing knives into the air, hoping that it will do a triple-bank shot into a guys foot and instantly kill him.

SEE?! THAT CRAP IS A CIRCUS!! I don't think wanting to stab someone in the neck as I leap through the air is that ridiculous now.

Any FPS game that essentially turns the knife into a OHK death machine, regardless where it hits, and regardless how much health the victim has, (COD, BC2) has a broken melee mechanic. A knife is a last resort or special circumstances weapon, and is not stronger than a gun. companies need to stop pleasing the noobs, and follow that philosophy. The only time the knife should be potentially more deadly than a firearm, is when certain parameters are met, like when playing a certain class. If Operatives are capable of delivering a OHK with the knife, that has to be a backstab, and the ability must be purchased, then that balances it out the mechanic, rather than turning every player into a master of blades.

Who said every player should be master of blades?

Being able to kill people with one swipe or stab of a blade in a chaotic battle environment takes some pretty advanced training.

I just picked those games because you did other things in them than shoot and move. Like talk to people, or punch people. Not because of whether or not they have co-op multiplayer.



I want it to be impossible to do a suicide run with a knife/melee and survive. However, If they don't see you...

I just want the option to do a bit of a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTj6tauY1JU moment in a first person game. This isn't a gamebreaker, it's a vertical slide tackle. I understand that people don't like melee combat in FPS games. I personally would love to see a game where it's fully embraced and used to its fullest potential.

"Uh, Ima gonna rush thru dem all right nao and kill dem fifteen timez!"
*15 kills later*
"Whaddafuk, wuyh am-a not in first plaiz, eh?"
- "Dude, you got 15 100points kills, everyone else got 200 points and more for their stealthy ones."
"Whaaat!? Dats a piece of garbage krap shid game!"


When I played the expo-demo, I shot some guy with a shotgun, then backed into some alley and smacked the gun into his face when he came around the corner. I think this is some unique and fun use of melee.

That sounds fun REVO if there's little situations like that then I'll be happy. The kill melee when someone's down is it like some kind of mean stomp attack?

Like in Dead Space, eh?

No. I think in one video I saw it was just the regular melee-animation.

Stomping would be a bit too OTT for Brink from the current style. But it would be fun.


The game Star Wars Battlefront (2) doesn't have any melee at all. The number of times I snuck straight up behind someone and was then forced to use the last of my ammo finishing them off was incredibly annoying. From my experiences, I'm making a table. Feel free to add or correct if you disagree, this is currently just my personal opinion.


Melee should be used:


1) As a last resort when you have no other weapons or ammo. (Such as Fists in Doom)
2) To conserve ammo when you have an easy kill opportunity. (Such as a Backstab)
3) To humiliate an enemy player with their lack of skill.
4) In a melee-only game mode. (Knives only, Chainsaws only, Crowbars only, Energy Swords only...)
5) When your enemy is attempting to use melee on you and you have no chance to escape.
6) When weapon sounds or effects would...

• a: Alert enemy players to your position. (Muzzle flash and gun sounds)
  
• b: Take too long to finish them off. ( Using a Backstab rather than a Revolver in TF2)

Melee should not be used or implemented:


1) In any situation that requires you to cross a large open space.
2) When your enemy could easily just shoot you down on the way there. (Links in with 1)
3) When the attack itself is generally preferable to guns for one reason or another. (eg. Has the ability to kill a wary enemy in a single hit.)


Any more?

Yeah, you forgot Chainswords. But that's a minor for BRINK, because - as we all know - there will be no large arsenal of melee-weapons.

Butterfly knifes should be in this game, a revolver and a balaclava...

Seriously? :thumbsdown:

Revolver - Check
Knive (for pistols and bajonetts for other weapons) - Check
Balaclava - Check, sort of ... check out The Psycho Pack for pre-orders

;)

No... Couldn't you sense that I was basically naming the Spy equipment (TF2)
Tbh I dislike the slow backstab kills like in KZ2/3 it gives the enemy's team mates the time to finish you off easily which destroys the reason of using it. Hopefully Brink will have faster, more fluent backstabs.

I did not. But thinking about it I don't think Brink should rip from Team fortress' style or any game's.

Well in these times you can't make anything that hasn't already been done before, that's actually good... I've heard/seen people comment that Brink looks like Killzone and Team Fortress 2, even though Splash damage didn't intend to do this.

ambush tactics, play the operative class?

"Looks like Killzone and Team Fortress 2" in which way?

The Art Style does not, for sure. It's not as dark as Killzone, neither as "comic book style" as TF2.
Neither does the Class-System, I'd say, because it's just the universal Soldier-Medic-Engineer-Stealthyguy scheme which has been done for ages.

Thinking more like Army of Two TFD. Mow someone down and run up and quick stomp them to conserve ammo. I found it interesting how in the demo for container city with the engineer he switched to shotgun but whenever he downed someone he switched to pistol to finish them off for some odd reason.

Didn't want to waste his shotgun ammo. Secondary weapons will almost always be a backup weapon, might as well use the ammo for something.