Yes it dont make it good either .. like some people like to imply or even support

If you're going to use a term to define a country, make sure you know what it means.

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or know about or care about the country that is in question. if people are going to support a criminal government in that country I dont see why I should. could be the biggest country in the world for all i care. third world first world [censored] timbucktoo it dont matter there still wrong.

Jet. It is illegal. Where a commodity is illegal, organized crime has an oppurtunity to exploit it. What I meant by my reference to Prohibition, is that the FBI was so busy searching out moonshiners in the backwoods and the numerous reserves of then "illegal" contraband that they became over extended and had to tolerate a level of continual lawlessness, that included corrupt cops they needed to keep around in order to keep the rest of society from falling apart. Organized criminals aren't always the nexus of all bad activities, of every serial killer or even street prosttutes and drug dealers, they use these guys as tools to make a profit, they are businessmen. Corrupt businessmen, for sure, because they do not follow all the laws.

Organized criminals need law, as much as, the "law-abiding" goody-to-shoes need law, they use it to benefit their business by eliminating powerful nuisances. Organized crime isn't as dangerous to society like people want to make it, sure they promulgate illegal activity and sell a product that isn't supposed to be sold anywhere else, but they bring order out of chaos they are perfectly suited for a Wasteland trying to rebuild. Outlaws loved the "wild" West for a reason, there was a lot of organized criminals that diversified their holdings into the railroads and cities, come on the casinos, and helped build the West with strong armed tactics. Poor old Bugsy...

The people of Colombia don't support it, they didn't have a choice, another example of ignorance, please do research.




Organized crime is worse then what people think actually. You can't try to make their actions seem okay by calling them corrupt business men, these people are what destroy communities and homes.

The only reason organised crime needs law is so that there is currency, without currency no business man can make a profit... Otherwise they do not need the law.
Oh and if you want to see NON Violent Organised Crime see John Torrio, he was Al Capones Predecessor. (Much less violent)

I know that, but they also aren't the soul of darkness and the core of all that is evil in this world, sure some want it to be that way, but it simply isn't true. In a Wasteland where civilization barely exists and lawlessness is rife, organized crime is bound to become prominent in order to tread against both and make those at the center and around it very rich. Organized crime, to me, becomes a necessary evil that can not simply be taken down with one person, even good people would want to protect it in the name of survival. Ripping your community apart attacking organized crime becomes dangerous to that survival.

Organized crime isn't a thing you can just say won't exist, either, it is a symptom of your environment and policy. The fact there is illegal products and widespread disorder, no police force could challenge a boss from becoming rich, in the Wastelands laws are made to discourage bad activity among the law-abiding, simply scaring from doing something illegal, its not something that can be truly enforced on all levels, laws can become suggestions without real force behind them. It took huge operations in the United States to crush the mafia, and yet they survived because vice survived, vice will always survive and thrive especially in a crisis.

You don't give "organized" crime a whole lot of credit. A pickpocket preys on vulnerable targets in a back alley and society doesn't tolerate that. A criminal organization turns those "vulnerable" targets, those same "law-abiding", I guess that is what you call someone that gives into prostitution, gambling and drugs, citizens, into a business. "Collective" majority, the majority not giving into vice, which is slim, wouldn't tolerate them, sure, but the mafia uses strong arm tactics to stop those do-gooders.

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theres nothing wrong with prostitution, gambling, and occasionly aquiring a bit of smoke woteva.its all gud!!! I just dont like the idea of the "MAFIA" being a faction in fallout 4 as people wouldnt have any of it, imagine u was building a house out of [censored] somewhere with ur fam then some tosser calling himself a gangster came over trying to take ur [censored] u would just shoot them to protect ur [censored]!?

Well, the fallout world isn't actually a real world. (BTW, my other messages were pertaining real life organized crime, not about the fallout factions)

I'm pretty sure it wont be sad to see a game character die at the hands of a mafia member o.o

you dont say

If you know that then why are you acting like the mafia is going to take over and rule the world.

I felt like that was how the argument was going. They were isolated in Fallout 2 to New Reno. I could see that happening to where the "Irish Mob" are confined to Atlantic City, a den of gambling and banditry if there ever was one, but their dealers and thugs become new enemies to battle in the D.C. Wasteland... or allies. This would be a perfect way of expanding the world like Fallout 2 did.

This is fallout, not Harry Potter.

Machines.... Break. They wear out. The need to refuel does not negate this. They have parts, parts wear out.

In addition - you are suggesting a Perpetual motion machine - I dont care how good your fusion is, its impossible. You will loose energy in the process.

No how do you explain Mr Gusties and Mr Handies lasting 200 years on a rocket that makes them float....
In fallout its possible, take your logic else where, we are using GAME PHYSICS!

Hmm... they aren't always on and many of them do break. They only need fuel, fuel that can be stored in massive amounts in the factories they guard. Most of them, those wondering the Wastelands, were turned back on or are built by new masters and have since turned on their masters or were abandoned, which explains hostility toward those they come into contact with. I wouldn't say this is "GAME PHYSICS" it only took common sense to explain it...

Ok I just stood in my house in Megaton for a week... Mr Handy hasnt been refuelled... Hes just floated for a week non stop...

Explain?

The game logic doesnt show him powering down... But using your common sense he clearly does. They have technitians in the waste who are able to scavenge some small parts, but bear in mind that these were consumer items (the Mr Gusty's just a slightly modified version in the same way a VC-25 is still a Boeing 747).

Either that, or the Fallout world has entirely eliminated world hunger at the source by stoping people becoming hungry - Do you see any long term food storage or Hydroponics in Vault 101 anywhere?

To keep an atomic powered Ship on the line in serviceable battle ready condition needs a bit more than water and magic fairy dust - It needs a lot of complex mechanical parts that just arent found "Just anywhere". It needs complex facilities for repairs and maintenence (there arent too many shipyards and drydocks in an operational state anymore), not a soldering iron and a screwdriver like a consumer grade robot.

I bet that had to be very boring. I don't think the game developers would have thought someone would stand there for a week. I didn't expect anyone would want to do that. I always just thought of the Mr. Gutsy being powered down when I or someone else wasn't there and it uses the 100 year old fission battery similar to the one that was used on Power Armor. You can't put everything into a game...



They will need to beach, just like the Shi Empire and the U.S.S. Arrowhead.