Does anyone here think the Enclave was the Illuminati, since they were a secret government that manipulated events? If not the Enclave, then which faction do you think?

I think if there were an illimunati then yes it would have included some enclave members in it, however if the Enclave represents the Illuminati's plan for the NWO, then they've failed terribly; as such I don't think the Enclave conspiracy (That is, pre war Enclave) is one and the same as the Illuminati.

However, there is no evidence of the illuminati's existence in Fo to my knowledge.

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They do however remind me of another group: http://www.trutv.com/conspiracy/in-the-shadows/bilderberg-group/secret-society-goals.html.

"Some believe its overarching goal is even more insidious: the complete enslavement of the world's countries and wholesale slaughter of most of the global population."

Well they could be based on any of this shadow government crap (even though the whole notion of them being a shadow government is never allueded to in any in-game material). Given that they were based somewhat on the Syndicate from X-Files (both secret powerful shadow governments with oblique plans simply called 'The Project') it's fair to say that they are based on Majestic 12.

No. Because I don't believe the Illuminati exist in this world or in the world of Fallout.

Oh, this. *Sigh*.

In the world of Fallout it's entirely possible that some super-duper secret organization managed to stay under the Enclave's radar, but I seriously doubt it. Would be incredibly cliche.

Kinda' going off-topic here but am I the only one who's noticed the resurgence of this Illuminati crap? It's all over youtube, particularly Hip Hop videos for some messed up reason.

Maybe the nuclear war was their whole plan to start a NWO. It makes perfect sense.

I personally feel that the Enclave had something to do with the Great War.

As for the Illuminati, I don't think that was the Devs idea for them at all.

Speculating about the Illuminati is pretty pointless.

It makes zero sense, the Enclave don't conduct any mainland operations until 80 years after the war; so all of the people in the Enclave traded all their property, wealth, actual power and everyone outside of their immediate family so that their great-grandchildren could take over the world? Makes zero sense, if the people in the Enclave are as soulless as people think then destroying everything which actually makes them powerful and privilaged is a stupid move.

No it doesn't. Why would the Enclave wish to terminate both the US and China over a war that they were winning?

It makes more sense for China to wish to press the proverbial "red button" after they had been hammered by U.S. PA troops and with the U.S. army closing in around the capital of Beijing.

Which is confirmed by President Richardson.

Right. And I don't believe he had any reason to lie to the Chosen One. The only way I could see his statement being false is if he himself was misinformed, which I don't believe is the case.

"Part of the President's job is to make tough decisions." - President Richardson

The people in the Enclave realise that.

If the Enclave felt that the worlds population was becoming, over populated. That mankind was going go destroy itself then they would want to start over. The Vault experiments would have taken years to come up with, maybe decades. Their mindset to think up crazy crap like that (vault experiments) shows how extreme they are as a group.

I prersonally feel they just wanted to start over. They would encourage the end of the world. It is clear they did not give a crap about the American people. They some how knew the end of the world was coming for years and they did nothing to save people. If they truelly wanted to save people, that they loved America, they would have not done the Vault experiments. They would have done everything they could to save people. Step one being to make sure the Vaults would save people, which is not what the Enclave had in mind for them.

I wrote a short fan story about it. It was not them starting the great war, but about them allowing China to invade Alaska. Has anyone wondered how China was able to invade Alaska so easy? Landing a large army would have been very hard to do, with tech such as satellites and radar and a large naval force. Yet China pulled it off. My thinking behind that would be that the Enclave was hoping for it to escalate into World War 3 but it did not happen.

It is said in the Bible that the president at the time of the Great War was Enclave. Maybe the Enclave got one of their own to be president so he could be their to pull the trigger on WW3. Since the president at the time of China's invation of Alaska did not.

Just so no one gets the wrong Idea I am just putting conspiracy theories out there.

Also if anyone is curious here are my short stories: http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1165491-sins-of-the-past/page__p__17141116#entry17141116 & http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1164060-the-heroes-of-quincy/page__p__17109934#entry17109934

Well given that we know literally nothing about them from before the war I suppose that's an equally valid theory.

I don't believe that to be the case. The United States was quite powerful by the end of the Sino-American War. The members who made up the "Enclave" would have been sitting pretty on loads of cash and the opportunity to begin expanding into areas ravaged by the resources wars, why give that all up and start a Nuclear war that leaves most of your resources destroyed?



It doesn't say "he was Enclave". It simply says that the President of the U.S. went to the Oil Rig.



So why would the President do it after Anchorage had been liberated and the Commies sent running for the hills?

So they can take over US, China, and the rest of the world? Or their grandkids can, anyways, with their NWO ideas in mind.

Some people go beyond cash. Some people do just want to watch the world burn. Some people want things like a pure race, one government, one way of thinking and their cash and pre-war statue is just a means to get that. America winning the war against China would not achieve such goals. If the Enclave's goal was to have say, worlds populaion under 1 million. Then having a world were, America's population was 400 million would have to be dealt with. A nuclear war is a great way to do it.




Yeah but it would seem likely that he was Enclave or working with Enclave.




The president after Anchorage may not have been the same president that goes to the Enclave oil Rig before the Great War. Anchorage was not the last big battle before the Great War. Amercia started invading China itself, the Yangtze Campaign. It is also stated in Fallout 2 that America made it all the way to the Yangtze River at the Heart of China. New Vegas also has the Yangtze Memorial.

I gotta say I think it'd be a terrible idea for the Enclave to be responsible for the Great War. The Fallout apocalypse was supposed to be about about universal human fallibility and greed not watch out for evil conspiracies.

It's almost as bad as the "aliens did it" from Mothership Zeta.

Perhaps it was, yet they still failed miserably. They sat in their castle for 200 odd years letting new civilisations, armies, orders develop.

Maybe they're a patient bunch? They existed for millenia after all.

I don't see it as bad as Aliens. Reason being, Enclave are humans: "The end of the world occurred pretty much as we had predicted; too many humans and not enough space or resources to go around. The details are trivial and pointless, the reasons as always, purely human ones."

Enclave could have been around for a very long time. When the world got to the point of "to many humans and not enough space or resources to go around" they saw their chance. They may not have been the main cause, but they could have been their to move things along. To stoke the fires.

The Great War could have very well have just been as simple as China being overrun and them, using nukes and taking the world down with them. Still the war against China & America could have been apart of the Enclave plan to start WW3.

The fact that they were willing to sit on that Rig for so long should communicate just how paranoid and irrational they had become.

True. Nothing surpasses the alien explanation in terms of awfulness.

I dunno. I just think if the Great War was brought on or helped along by a secret conspiracy with global domination on their minds as opposed to being the inevitable result of human conflict over the planet's dwindling resources (war never changes) it weakens it a lot.

Also the Enclave have been the villains for two Fallout games. Don't need them to be the major villains in the pre-war Fallout world too.

They sat in their "castle" for 164 year, confident that they had the power to win out against anyone that survived on the mainland. They did not predict the rate at which the mainland would repopulate and the level of mutations. They took the time to study the mutations and the vaults. The mainland also did not start re-populating for several decadeds. "A quiet darkness fell across the planet lasting many years. Few survived the devastation."