1) There is no in-game advantage, you're making that up, so right there your entire point is moot. Like I said they will be next to nothing and not desirable. What IS weak is trying to claim there is any advantage where you have no proof AND the history of the franchise sais otherwise. So yes it is just cosmetic. Nice try I guess, but without proof of what the racials are you are at the "very unlikely" end of the spectrum with this argument with them being anything special.

2) You say "COMPLETE race" like there is anything there to be "incomplete" it's a skin on a character model. You don't choose the races in game, so no it isn't even an in game choice. Other than aesthetics and racials, it doesn't carry over to in game. That is most likely why he used those exact words to save from any consequences from a cash shop because those words actually still stand completely true, there is no content (zones, quests, story, dungeons, bosses/raids, PvP) that you don't get with a sub.

So just stop and think, none of my other posts were irrational your "refutes" were actually just repeating the same misinformation you started with so if you still can't see how your making something out of nothing you are being irrational, or just purposely ranting to troll.

The imperials have been a playable race in TES since Morrowind*

And regarding the topic, I am concerned regarding the fact that the race is literally sold at pre-order, possibly not unlockable later on. What if the Imperial is passive wise the "best" race choice out there? That's exactly like selling power, which they already are, ingame economy wise (Guess will the Imperial style - items have double the amount in their price tag)

I do not think so, it is not always so simple to evaluate intention. I think they are worried of where it leads, which personally I find ridiculous.

Your words sound more like a guise; anything you write carries emotion.

A products' value is purely subjective to the customer. No one forced you to buy a car without a good safety rating, that was your choice.... (amongst other choices). The purpose of a car is transporation, not safety rating.

In the end, your basic subscription QoS will mechanically (regarding balance) be unaffected by CE

the racials in this game are clearly better than in most games and will remain good even in end game

You don't understand what I'm saying. I'm not saying you're more powerful as an Imperial than other races, necessarily, I'm saying you have ACCESS to MORE IN-GAME advantages. Power = in-game advantage != cosmetic.

I'm not talking about the advantages themselves being more powerful - though they could be. I said that in my very first post. You have to read what I write first.

Yes, it's complete meaning it's not just a skin or something cosmetic - it's a race like all the other races complete with powers and unique armors, etc. A race is content - there's no way you can pretend it's not. You don't choose it in-game? Ok, so the character creation isn't part of the game now? Oh, I see. Running around with a character of a given race isn't an in-game thing? That's pretty silly.

Now, if you want to call me a troll for refuting your points rationally - that's ok with me. It doesn't really bother me much.

Raise your hand if you would have played Imperial should it always had been available. Yeah.. thought so. All they did was make them a little bit more special

The great thing is that nobody is forcing you to do anything. If you don't like their terms, you don't buy the game. It's that simple. No need to whine and moan because it's not exactly how you like it, it's their game. They aren't spending millions developing it only so you can play it and be happy. They are a business, they are out to make money and this is a way for them to make a little bit more. It's not a pay gate, it's not a pay to win. Get over it and move on. bleh.

If these people have any experience with previous mmo's they would know that this is trivial at best and no reason to rock a boat over.

OMG just checked my email (its been going on non stop) i have 64 emails from B showing people that have quoted me lol.

Yeah about that. Every race has powers that other races don't have.

Ok, if you want to believe I'm emotionally invested - that's ok. I'm invested in the game and that experience, yeah, but not what strangers say about me on a public forum, no. Not very much, anyway.

Please point out where I've said I'm forced to buy anything? I'm talking about the integrity of the game - not a forced choice.

Since you have no idea what powers the Imperial race has - you can't reasonably state anything about balance. My point is not about balance - it's about unique in-game advantages available to people who pay extra. That's a problem with integrity in a subscription based game.

Please stick to what I'm saying instead of conjuring up all these fantasies about forced choices.

After level 10 the racial abilities mean nothing, your gear is what you are dependant on and if your grouping, how well you work together. If your going up against lvl 12 mobs at 10 in the starter gear that extra whatever in shiny shiny wont amount to a hill of beans.

if you have seen the racials you would know that this is not true. in this game racials will remain valuable in the end game

That's true, but only people who pay extra get to enjoy the powers that the Imperial race has.

Yes, let's just ignore everything about a game we care about and not speak our minds about it. It's not ok to speak an opinion and try to communicate a point, right?

No, I think discussing this can be healthy. I think communicating this to the developers is healthy. It's better for the game.

sorry but Imperial edition is not P2W

nothing in it has WIN in it.

I have seen the racials and i know what its like to 17 (which really isnt saying anything and like i said they mean nothing once gear has been factored in.

My opinion is its pure pay to win tactics, and when its only at start of he game, I don't even want to know what their further moves will be.

I know I won't change that, nor you, nor they won't change that, but I have right to express my opinion.

There will he A lot of critics coming out not only from forums but as well as reviews and videos and sites. I don't know if thats was worth it.

If ZOS wants to be solid, they have to play the long game. Now trust from companies comes from not pulling unexpected things like this and then having wars and hard critisism on forums and videos

They stated you could upgrade with the digital version and the imperial is not a pre order only thing, so yes anyone can upgrade to it.

So, what you're saying is that you don't actually want your racial powers, right? Resistance to elements and faster leveling in your skill of choice is not relevant or useful later in the game?

Pay to win? WTF ever palyed Wolfteam, that's pay to win. You are paying with real money to get ingame boosts others can't like more life, more armor, more dmg, higher fire rate etc.

what people are complaining about is the Imperial race being exclusive for preorderes. Well so what!? I frankly hope you can achieve the race within the game but even if you can't this ain't such a big deal for the imperial edition doesn't cost that much more. (besides all prices seem to be very fair to me!)

Imperial Digital Edition: Bought.

It's beating a dead horse at this point. Everyone is making a huge deal out of nothing. Some people are paying for early access to a single race; it's a choice. Some people are going to complain there is a subscription, is their complaining going to change that fact? No, it's not. It's all pointless right now.

If nobody purchased the unlock for the imperial race, this whole thing would be moot wouldn't it? It's supply and demand.

They are not exclusive for pre orders you can upgrade your account to them at anytime the only thing that is exclusive .. well jsut read it again http://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en/preorder

No, it's not a dead horse just yet. It's just beginning

Yes, it's a choice that shouldn't be there.

Supply and demand? So, if people wanted the best items in the game - the developers should automatically supply them for a fee?

Ehm, no, I don't agree.

So you're saying unique item automatically = advantage. That's simply subjective.

I believe the 'conjuring' is also coming from you as well....