Alright first of all, i just need to say that i have a good gaming pc that could probably run the game in 60fps. I would prefer playing Fallout 4 on my playstation though.

Anyway, I'm wondering if you Bethesda guys could increase the framerate on the ps4 to 60fps, maybe like Battlefield 4 (900p 60fps).

Honestly battlefield 4 still looks great in 900p, and even more so in glorious 60 frames per second. I think that most players would not mind the slight downgrade in resolution, because we notice the framerate more than the resolution when we are playing. Perhaps a 900p 60fps version could be provided as an optional update? Please think about it Bethesda! And friends, make some noise if you wish the same. Hopefully we can pester gamesas enough to have them change it.

Uh. Tell Sony to make the hardware better, I guess...?

If you play on a console, inferior graphics are part of the deal. Everybody knows this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hsy62VtKED4

Tell the PS4 to stop being filled with outdated hardware.

To be fair, all of that stuff is part of the deal with consoles. They're more or less outdated by the time they hit the shelves.

It would be nice to have threads like this without the inevitable "PC IS BETTER" circlejerk. Yes we know it's better, but going on and on about how consoles are inferior is just obnoxious...

Anyway, the framerate's fine imo. I just hope it's a steady 30 frames.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztVMib1T4T4

Please stop telling Bethesda how to format their game. Trust me, they've been around for years, they went to school/college, they were then trained by the professionals before them....They know what they're doing. It's easy for someone to google "60fps vs 30fps" and say 'Oh 60 looks better I want 60'. It is so much more complicated than that...every game is different and just because the difference matters for one game does not mean it will matter for the next. For example, if a game has motion blur the difference is not at all noticable because everything is blurred so you can't see any mismatch between moving frames. Likewise if things are vibrant or colorful the pixels blend in with each other more than dark settings (think - watching a horror movie in the day). So many other factors...Including how increasing to 60FPS will affect the game. If you increase the graphics in one area it has to suffer in another. We all want our games to look just like real life but its not possible...yet.

So OP, if you have a PC that can run Fallout 4 why not just get it for that? The PC has mods. Sure, the Xbox 1 will too, but probably less of them with more restrictions and the PS4 may or may not be getting mods. The only real reason I can think of to want to play Fallout 4 on PS4 if you have the option to play on PC is the controller. If that's the case may I suggest one of the many ways to get PS4 controllers to work on PC, because I highly doubt that Fallout 4 will ever be able to run at 60 FPS on console.

Oh, and I suppose you could also want to play on the TV in your living room or similar. In which case you could possibly set your PC up to stream to your TV.

I literally cannot tell the difference between 30 and 60fps

http://30vs60.com/.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otj7bxxxGNk

Be sure to set the quality to 60fps (top 2 options).

There was a circlejerk? Did I miss it?

I used to feel the same way, but after paying some attention to the game, there is for sure a difference, it just looks smoother. Not that 30 fps is unplayable in my eyes or anything, but yeah you can tell the difference.

I am on the road from San Diego and that site doesn't support my phone.

However I been playing games all my life and I must say that if there is a difference, it's not one worth mentioning. I get it is not ideal, but really worth getting upset over it?

Go play a game at 60fps for a few months, and then apply a frame limiter that drops it down to 30.

I guarantee you'll be able to tell a difference then.

To some people it is literally a deal-breaker. Some people get sick from games and the lower the frame rate the worse it is. Higher framerates like 60 FPS and 120 FPS are ideal for these people. As for me I both notice and prefer the smoothness of 60 but it is by no means a dealbreaker.

I guess I should of said that I don't care abouth 30fps rather than I can't see it.

Lol dude I own a great gaming pc plus every playstation and xbox ever made. I jumb back and forth between 60, 30, and even sometimes lower than that. To me, the difference is so little that I no longer see the difference.

So as long as it doesn't effect my combat or playstyle, I do not see the harm.

However, I do understand how others might get bent out of shape like this. Wee all have our pet peeves. I am not judging anyone. However, Framerate is simply not one of my peeves

First of all, that website gets popularity based on how many people notice a difference. As I said above, its entirely dependent on the game and the setting. Some parts of some games will make a huge difference whereas a different part of the same or different game will not. This scene has a lot of explosions...those are literally there to make you notice.

Secondly, theres a lot of psychological stuff going on. It's kinda like people saying "I don't like yellow food". I think a lot of it is all in our heads. If we're told somethings 60FPS it suddenly looks a lot nicer than 30FPS. Now, some are able to tell the difference between 30FPS and 60FPS. I'll link two videos, one with the casual gamer and one with someone whose business is to detect things like this. As you can tell...most of us won't care or notice a difference but even the guy who can tell says he doesn't really care.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yWEpIwNDeCA&feature=youtu.be

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2IF9ZPwgDM

It's not a matter of "Can I notice" its a matter of "Does it make a difference". Two entirely different questions with two different answers.

That being said, I suppose its possible for someone to notice 60FPS more than the average (much like some people can see higher wavelengths of light than others), but I would argue this is the minority and unless you're looking for it to prove a point you probably won't care. I've spent a lot of time looking into this, but I'll admit I still don't know half what I'm sure bethesda does about the 60 vs 30 frames per second debate. So I'll trust their judgement far over mine. Theres some stuff you can't just look up on the internet....

It's far more important to have good graphics than 60FPS. Decreasing the graphics by a fraction of a fraction of a percent will make a bigger difference than this...

I doubt it.

You literally said "I literally cannot tell the difference between 30 and 60fps".

The perceivable difference between 60fps and 120fps is ironically much less than the difference between 60 and 30.

Haha classic.
Let me fix that then.

I literally don't care enough to let a little thing ruin my gaming experience.

What do those videos have to do with this discussion anyway? We're talking about the difference between 30 frames per second and 60 frames per second not the difference between 60 frames per second and 120 frames per second.

Let me tell you, I do notice the difference between 30 and 60. This isn't psychological, I can tell and it annoys me. I know I can tell because I've tested it with and without frame counters like FRAPS or Shadowplay. It does make a difference on how I play since, and to be honest, I consider myself rather good at most games and in the competitive world 30 vs 60 can, but usually doesn't, make a difference. After all, there are literally half the frames at 30 than at 60. I like the smoothness.

And as for the site, of course they showed the explosion so you can tell the difference, that's the point. Also, there's more comparisons on there than the Far Cry 3 one.

The perceivable difference between 15FPS and 30FPS is the same amount of ironic units less. I don't think this is a very good argument.

me too lol

This ignorance is a blessing.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/personal-incredulity

It has nothing to do with percentages. If you use 60 as an anchor point, an increase in framerate by order of the same magnitude as a decrease in framerate is less noticeable than that decrease in framerate.

For instance, there is not likely to be anyone on the planet who is actually capable of telling the difference between 120fps and 240fps. Meanwhile, most people would agree that the difference between 15fps and 30fps is a massive change.

Again, it's not about percentages. The difference between 60 and 120 is stastically less severe than the difference between 30 and 60. It's a simple fact. Using the average person's inability to detect the difference between 60 and 120 to argue that there is little or no difference between 30 and 60 (which is exactly what you're doing) is fallacious. The two examples simply do not have changes of the same magnitude.

Thank you. Although I am sure I could tell the difference if I tried, why would I do such a thing? I enjoy games on every type of gaming system. I don't wanna make anything seem lesser than the other.

Usually when I see an explosion I don't sit and observe the thing. I don't even have time to see it. However, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and say you do.

Looking at explosions accounts for maybe 5-10% of an average action FPS game. That's a big part of the game, fair enough. But the noticible difference is, even if you obsess over it...at most a fraction of a percent. Together, it doesn't really take away from the game at all. Plus, as I said you don't get free FPS you're giving something else up instead. For example, when I record a slow motion video on my phone, it can only do 140p because it has to register 8x the frames of a normal video.

Now, you say you've tested it and its not psychological...that's the point. Most people don't test it. As I said, some people can notice the difference. People who haven't trained themselves to...don't. Think back to before 60FPS gaming was a thing...did it annoy you then? I'm guessing it annoys you now so much because psychologically you've overestimated the difference. It's crazy how the brain works. Going back to the yellow food...say as a small child you liked corn but now you don't like corn because you've developed this hatred towards yellow food (perhaps due to your hatred of all other yellow food). All 5 of your senses go straight through the brain and are actually interpretative by it. The brain often mixes these senses illogically. I just did the test, and I can't tell the difference. I've seen other people say they can. I came to the conclusion that I don't want to be able to tell the difference because it will make me obsess over it. I've never had a game and say "This game is so much slower than this other game" and look at the specs and realize ones at 60FPS and the others at 30FPS. Its just unnoticeable to me even if I'm looking for it (because I didn't train myself to).

I really hope none of that sounded belittling I'll admit I have my own psychological obsessions. Slab the ASUS logo on anything and its suddenly so much faster!