Why else streamline it, when they could of easily just fixed it?

And yet you continue to ignore the position of keeping them and piling them onto a system that already does their job and more causes imbalance and inflates the bonuses too much and causes for game breaking imbalance. Then you say "Well just change them." but why keep them if you acknowledge that the new system already does their job? Why spend development time to just keep those 8 words shown in the game. The 8 attributes function is in the game so the 8 attributes are basically blank slates, nothing more than 8 words that were in previous games. Why spend development time trying to figure out a new function for them instead of just deleting those 8 words from the game? That's basically all it is, your wanting to keep 8 words in the game not their functions, as the functions are still in the game. It all comes down to being a slave to nostalgia and the only argument to keeping those attributes is because they were in the game first.

Attributes. they were merged or cut. they did not need to be. Noobs said "too many number, stats" and went back to COD. So they merge/cut them or whatever so the noobs come back.

Why fix it when you can replace it with a better model? What makes you think it is so easy to fix? Like I said before:

I personally never saw many or really any complaints about too many stats

Because its not better its just made so simpletons and noobs can understand it. I already posted plenty times how you could still have all of the attributes and make them better. You always like to not include it when you quote me though. Selective reasoning, selective quoting, its really your guys only defense.

Becasue they rented it, played it two seconds, saw no headshots and took it back.

Your always saying how more customization is better, well now you have more customization and more control over how your character progresses. Also, I would like to see these examples, because I haven't see one yet.

Your always saying how more customization is better, well now you have more customization and more control over how your character progresses. Also, I would like to see these examples, because I haven't see one yet.

Because its not better its just made so simpletons and noobs can understand it. I already posted plenty times how you could still have all of the attributes and make them better. You always like to not include it when you quote me though. Selective reasoning, selective quoting, its really your guys only defense.


Becasue they rented it, played it two seconds, saw no headshots and took it back.

Uhh what? You were talking about how everyone was complaining about too many numbers and stats? So no I don't agree with you. You make no sense.

I'm not saying that they removed them because of complaints at all. Just because they changed it doest mean it was complained about. They simply wanted a more effective system which this supplies. As I said everything attributes did is there just done differently.

It has nothing to do with CoD or lack of headshots.

Wheres the proof? We've been losing content since Daggerfall, why would Skyrim be any different? No need to quote me, we'll agree to disagree, although Im sure you'd try to argue that as well.

assuming perks are more that +5 to armor and oh look you can block 100% of damage but don't worry its not a representation of you getting stronger, because of course strenght isn't in game, nope this perk just says so.

Because its not better its just made so simpletons and noobs can understand it. I already posted plenty times how you could still have all of the attributes and make them better. You always like to not include it when you quote me though. Selective reasoning, selective quoting, its really your guys only defense.


Because they rented it, played it two seconds, saw no head shots and took it back. I know plenty of gamers who didnt have the patience for TES. The noobs and casuals didnt even come here, except to troll, how could I quote them?

assuming perks are more that +5 to armor and oh look you can block 100% of damage but don't worry its not a representation of you getting stronger, because of course strenght isn't in game, nope this perk just says so.

We lost the most content from Daggerfall to Morrowind, then much less from Morrowind to Oblivion and now we have seen very little removal and tons of addition. If we gained content with Skyrim, which kind of obliterates the "trend"

Well if you can't quote them you have no evidence then do you? Which means you just made it up and it isn't factual. You seem to be doing the trolling.

Why else streamline it, when they could of easily just fixed it?

I never said that, I said the noobs,casuals, non RPG gamers did. I personally had plenty of friends that dont like RPGs. Why? Because of the lack of constant action, head shots, they actually have to think, etc. And these guys are in their 30s. I have just as many friends that d like RPGs for what they are and dont want to see them streamlined/dumbed down etc. To appeal to the crown out of their natural demographic.

Because it wasn't that easy to fix? Attributes have had a long standing possbility for abuse, and it makes levelling up a comparitively chaotic affair... depending on exactly what skills levelled (regardless of their actual level), and how long you waited before sleeping after getting a level-up notification, you would have variable modifiers for the attributes. The only "quick fix" for it would be to make it ineffectual.

And with the perks, they've become redundant, so there's no need to have them.

So because your friends felt that way everyone is automatically complaining about too many stats? That a pretty big jump from a selective set of friends opinions to people complained about too many numbers and stats.

Er, what? What oh what could the possible reasons why a non RPG gamer doesnt play RPGs? What could those reasons be? I think your the one trolling.

Well if you can't quote them you have no evidence then do you? Which means you just made it up and it isn't factual. You seem to be doing the trolling.

no I'm not the one calling people who dont mind the change noobs that just want CoD and a simpleton system. There's more reasons to not want to play the game than stats how about actual gameplay?

don't mean to be rude, but trolling is a bit harsh, I've seen loads of posts from Xarnac giving intelligent reasons for wanting attributes, and in paricular spellmaking, might stick to his guns and get exasparated ( as we all do sometimes ), no way makes him a troll

I really don't see how perks make attributes redundant. A few examples of Skyrim perks I've seen for marksman are the ability to zoom in and slow time. I don't know how many more perks there are in total for marksman (I wouldn't imagine there'd be that many more), but I doesn't look like any will do what agility did.