He would likely get dodging perks. If you're dodging, the goal is to avoid getting hit, and avoiding hits would negate staggering. Just as long as the game avoids stagger-locks for those moments you do get hit (fscking clanfears..).


Light-armor perk.


Some perks can be levelled, so they can be selected multiple times to get better with it.

i definitely see the possibility of overdoing it with the perks, but im sure alot of the 280 will be different levels of the same perk.

Well I suppose that it would imply a set speed possibly modified by race traits if they wanted to go that far. Sort of like the fallout way only with sprinting. Some people may not like that way but it works fine, its not like there will be an uproar about how the races can move the same speed (maybe here but that's not an accurate representation of everyone). Plus even being context sensitive you could simply limit the speed of movement and still have a sort or jogging without sprinting.

Plus running speeds in oblivion were ridiculous to say the least anyway. Again I see a different approach not entirely removing.

But an agile swordsman is the type to be staggered the least, because of his agile nature he can absorb blows more efficiently than a walking piece of steel.
Im trying to point out its not the most efficient model, not for everything.

You could have a toggle similar to Mafia 1's speed limit system, togged on you run at a set pace, when off you let your true potential loose. Although I have no problem with they way it was in Oblivion. Context sensitive works, at least on consoles. Whatever it is, any race should be able to jump to extreme heights and run extremely fast if thats who they are and work at it.

Like it's quantifiable IRL? and no, I'm not talking about IQ...

It'll depend on the details. For all we know, staggering may not even be an issue in Skyrim. But even if it is, the anti-staggering perks would likely go to the skill that it makes most sense in (I guessed blocking, but it could be light armor).

In the end, I can see it working. How well it works will depend on how well Bethesda handles it, and to see that, we'll need to wait for release.

Maybe. Im inclined to agree there but the use of acrobatics was negligible and mostly used to just level strength in oblivion by hopping everywhere, so even if there were a set jump height it wouldn't make that much of a difference especially if the game is designed to not require huge jumps. There's always the possibility of it being changed by a perk under sneak which would make sense. (a sneaky character might learn how to jump higher to access areas that let them remain undetected or get a better vantage point for ranged combat)

Try RPing an acrobat or a thief who's main defense is the ability to jump high. Its as useful as you make it. Who else here has traveled from one side of Shivering Isles to the other without touching the ground?

Is the report button broken? I'm surprised this thread hasn't been closed for post limit yet.



For all we know, Skyrim has an AC-esque climbing system.

Now this I can agree with. But I don't think there are any moderators on right now.

Yeah but again it wasn't handled well because the jump height was a bit much. Again if they made jump height a perk under sneak it's still there, still changeable, just handled differently so that it doesn't get out of hand like it did in oblivion.

I can see dodging also being a perk under sneak since the sneaky ones are the ones that would avoid taking damage as much as possible.

My only gripe right now is that 50 perks doesnt seem like enough to make the most of this type of system when you factor in multiple tiers of perks. Hopefully that will change a bit before release though.

Maybe for Earth but not for Nirn. There's arguably no gravity on Nirn, plus magic can effectively bend and break all four fundamental interactions in our reality. Gravity (if its there), the strong and weak nuclear force and electromagnetism. Otherworldly feats are the norm in Mundus. hop over buildings, running faster than a deer, all lore friendly, it would actually break the lore to put Earthy limitations on it.

I find the it's not earth arguement rather weak but whatever even if they kept the over the top jumping that was a perk under sneak then it's still there, still changeable just handled differently.

How is that weak? There's Elves, Cat and lizard people, there's magic and real gods. Its most definitely nothing like Earth in terms of limitations. not to mention even Nedic races arnt actual earth humans.

Way over the limit.