We can count the Dragonborn as one.

The Emperors who failed to secure the Covenant inevitably fail. That's a good thing. We don't want successful tyrants. Free the Dragon; Lorkhan be damned.

Ok I need this Novel, does it come in hard cover from anywhere?

I don't think it was published in hardcover form; it's a trade paperback (larger than the standard paperback, though not thicker). You can probably still get it from Amazon.com or even send for it through interlibrary loan at your public library or university library.

To my knowledge, there isn't a hardcover version of it available anywhere. Here's a link to ahttp://www.bookdepository.co.uk/book/9781848567160/The-Infernal-City though. Free worldwide shipping too.

Seriously? You guys should see my soft cover books they are horrible from reading them one time through!

You'll just have to be more careful with your softcover books, I guess. My copy is in perfect condition despite both me and my brother having read it once.

Also we have yet to see what the Dragon Statue means in terms of divine covenants, if any major rules have been changed or whatnot.


Same here.

I think the statue is unimportant, only a husk; Martin achieved apotheosis and left the Mundus on the day of the final battle. If Bethesda plans a new Covenant, I have a feeling the setup for it won't occur until TES V (assuming a game is even in the works).

I sort of wish I hadn't paid the full price for my copy of "The Infernal City", since it's short. But more importantly, I hope the second novel is still planned (actually the second half of a novel that ended with a cliffhanger).

I wonder if they'll re-release the infernal city and it's sequel as a single hardocover.

Not enough popularity. Spin-off books rarely get hardcovered and I'm including Star Wars in here too.



That's a remarkably narrow perspective. By your standards the Dragonborn eventually failed thanks to yours truly.

What about Versidue Shai? His rule and his life was massively successful and while his line of rulers didn't last much beyond him the influence he had on Tamrielic (or at least Cyrodilic) politics lasted through the 3rd era.

Yes, the king is his dynasty. I'm measuring by the scales of Remanada, therefore the Dragonborn is by name a success. He stands in the omniscience of the Dragon Fires and is reborn the world's king.

Cuz that's what happens when governments fall. Chaos ensues.

Sul? I don't think so. He seems like a die-er, so I predict he dies in the next book. I just want Colovia to secede. The Nibenese are awful.

To be honest I have no strong preference about what race or sub nationality ends up ruling Tamriel. I'm just rooting for the good guys, which in this case are the people who aren't psychotic wizards using a greater Daedric soul fragment to raise an undead army.

I've noticed a trend of people saying they regret that the Empire always wins or that they have to help the Empire in games, or have to root for Imperials in the novels and other lore.

While the Empire isn't a perfect system and the people who comprise it aren't perfect races, consider the alternatives. You could have had a world ruled by Ayleids who delight in burning children alive and making furniture out of human skin. You could have had Dagoth Ur spreading the blight across the entire world, or Mehrunes Dagon stomping around, or the Aldmeri Dominion practicing eugenics on a massive scale, or savage Akaviri invaders doing gods knows what. The Empire may be the lesser of two evils in all these instances but the greater of two evils is usually more noticeably - well - evil.

All of which would make for a much more interesting/exciting gameworld.

Eh, a world made out of blight with a god walking around blighting everyone to Dagoth Ur's dreams doesn't look that fun, along with another god blowing up everything.

Leading a revolt against the mer who are trying to establish the Aldmeri Domain? It'd be fun. For now, I'm going to think the next game is going to deal with the rebuilding of either of empires or keeping the province of interest independent.

The Heart-stones contain the conflict. It's the process of Satakal, where each world-skin is shed for the next to begin. I believe it matters little which side won; either way, the kalpa ends.

Pretty soon Akel caused Satak to bite its own heart and that was the end. The hunger, though, refused to stop, even in death, and so the First Serpent shed its skin to begin anew.

To quote the president from "Independence Day", exciting is hardly the word I would choose to describe these events.

The Alessian rebellion was pretty cool, in my opinion, but as a game setting for an open-world RPG, it would kind of svck for the majority of civilized society in the game to want to kill/enslave/torture you for merely being human.

Yeah like I'm saying... it might actually be an interesting world to play in. Probably not suited for a sandbox action RPG like Oblivion.

Maybe in the future they can revive "The Elder Scrolls Adventures" and have an episode called "Alessia" or "Pelinal" about the whole uprising, but with more of a modern action engine like God Of War or Shadow of the Colossus. Imagine some of the boss battles when Pelinal and Morihaus fight deformed Ayleid demons and Sorcerer kings. That would be epic.


But no, that's not a world I'd want to live in. It's a hellish nightmare of a past thankfully long gone.

but by the end of the game the humans would rule everything, and you'd have An ayleid slave.

Nah. Never happened. Alessia herself was surprisingly open to Ayleids continuing to live under her rule. She even went so far as to add elements of the Elven religions in the Eight Divines religion. It wasn't until old Marukh came along that the whole anti elf racism really took on a life of its own. Before him it was pretty much just Pelinal who really hated all Elves and wanted to eat their neck veins.

In his defense, mer neck veins taste delicious!

I must disagree. I've always preferred mer hearts... still fresh and beating, too. :liplick:

Well of course! Still, mer neck veins are good and should never be wasted.