Infinite loading screen - RAM related? : V

» Sun May 18, 2014 7:08 pm

Fixed.
I had played around with LOD in skyrim configurator and set the bars to far.
basically go into your launcher>option>advanced>view distance> lower it by one step. or just reset any manual tweak by switching between high and ultra or whatever you play on.

Hello,

I need help with a problem i have and that is mod related:
When i load a game or start a new one, my loading screen seems to be infinite or close to that (i only waited for like 15 minutes) and my task manager seems to confirm that as neither the physical load nor the working set at changing AT ALL. The number of bytes it stops at is not consistent but usually happens around the 1,9GB mark, however what speaks against a RAM related issue is the fact that i have 8GB of memory and when i don't get an infinite loading screen it loads up to around 2,3 to 2,5 GB depending on where i am and what mods are activated.

That brings me to the mod related aspect of my issue:
One or two weeks ago i passed the 200 plugins and before it all went wrong (I already got CTDs here and there especially in villages (not cities), so i decided to switch from NMM to WB (Nexus mod manager to wrye bash for everyone who should be unfamiliar) and started to work with BOSS user rules and TES5Edit merged patches etc. I learned a lot and got my papyrus logs to be mostly clean except for some seemingly harmless warnings but no I cant enter any exterior cell aka Skyrim. Loading an interior cell is fine as long as i don't leave it.
When i deactivate all my mods everything is fine, When i deactived certain mods (last 20 or 30 in my load order) everything is fine. However this issue does not seem to be tied to one mod but to a combination of them.

Now Google spits out a few threads with a similar topic, but most of the time the OP just posts a "never mind i fixed it" not really saying how. Then i stumbled about a few sites saying that there was a 2GB cap on RAM allocated for Skyrim.exe, which would fit my problem really well, but that was undone in patch 1.3.xxxxx (just look it up on uESP if you really need to know). What keeps me thinking, that this is RAM related is 1) loading interior cells is just fine and 2) loading mods that change a lot in the game world (i.e. Sky haven temple or ETaC or interesting NPCs) seem to be the cause of this.

Papyrus logs can be added, but i seriously have thrown the idea that it is conflict related out of the window as it is too random imo.
Already thankfull for any advice i can get and do you think i should post this somewhere else too?

List of active mods:

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» Sun May 18, 2014 2:48 am

I notice you are using Skyrim Flora Overhaul. If you aren't already, use the 2048 lower resolution tree lod patch available from the SFO download page (there are standard and summer variations of it). I had a similar problem (although it only triggered when I tried to leave Markarth (via the city gate or via fast travel)), and some internet research turned up that quite a few people had the problem, were using SFO, and that using the lower-resolution tree lods cured it. It certainly seems to have worked for me, so you might well as well give it a try.

» Sun May 18, 2014 5:38 am

I had lost my 400+ hour vanilla character on bad RAM problems. The thing to note was that I haven't reseated my RAM in a while on my rig when occasionally for the past few weeks I have been bumping my PC a lot. Then I loaded up my one and only copy of one of my vanilla characters with a 400 hour mark on progression and played around & explored a bit then (on a stupid impulse decided to overwrite the save) after that I quit skyrim through the main menu then BAM! BSOD! I reseated my RAM and when I loaded my save got the infinite loading screen just out of bad RAM problems..

Note: My save was successfully saved, the I hit the BSOD on exit of Skyrim & somehow the savegame got corrupted.. /frown.gif' class='bbc_emoticon' alt=':(' />

» Sun May 18, 2014 6:59 pm

Ty, might try that and check if it is an actual VRAM problem.
Edit: Did nothing for me but i found out, that if you overload your VRAM skyrim shuts down with an error message automatically.

Why would you want to override any save if Skyrim gives you the ability to literally make an infinite number of saves?

» Sun May 18, 2014 11:03 am

It's just a performance issue, there's nothing you can do about it except deactivate some mods. Skyrim will never use all 8 gigs of RAM so if you exceed the amount of resources skyrim can use when loading a cell, the game will hang.

Remember that this game was developed for xbox, and is a poorly optimized port on PC.

» Sun May 18, 2014 12:02 pm

It was a really old save of mine and I got over it anyways.. Lesson learned hardware related issues such as occasionally nudged & loosely seated RAM can corrupt your whole /Saves directory in one instance..

» Sun May 18, 2014 9:33 am

Ok, here is what I did and it is fixed now, but i don't know why:
I installed all my mods. Loaded an interior cell, typed pcb and just went to skyrim. Wouldn't work before that. I will update when i know more.

e: Don't think the pcb command was the fix and it just worked for some other reason.

» Sun May 18, 2014 7:17 am

Yay doesn't work anymore. why is this so random ?