To me, inns in OB were like taverns and taverns were like inns. No matter what "inn" you went to, you couldn't really tell if it was a tavern or not.

IMO, inns need to be more quiet, like they were in OB, with several rooms, a dining area, a kitchen, a small bar (like OB's) and a porch/deck with a canopy and outdoor tables and chairs.

Taverns should be more exciting. A place to go every Fredas evening. You should be able to hear the ambient lute playing, or other instruments, music from afar in the distance. They should consist of a couple large bars with bottles stocked in display cases behind and under the bar, entertainment about once a week, dancing, outhouses, porch and canopy, a kitchen with its own chef (very unlikely but cool idea), and a DC (Designated Carriage, lol).

I don't know, what do you guys think? I for one think they need to be different. I'm really looking forward to finding out if there will be a big difference between the two.

Yes. I'm hoping for more of the little things like this.

Also a few things about Morrowind and Oblivion:

Morrowind: Sometimes (The Razor Hole was bad) the innkeeper would walk about, and it would get really difficult to find. I can imagine this to be even more annoying with crowded inns and schedules. Make them stay still.

Oblivion: Sometimes (Aleswell inn was most annoying - I saved the damn town) an innkeeper would just consistently watch me after I had rented a room. This was irritating, too. Especially for the inconspicuous thief.


Just a couple of gripes that would be nice to be fixed. They can quite easily be mod fixed, but I don't think the games should heavily rely on modability, too much.

Agree mostly with OP. Inns seemed dead in OB so it would be nice to see a change in Skyrim. It's just part of making towns and cities seem more alive.

Aren't taverns just inns that don't necessarily have beds available?

a tavern is like a pub, a bar.

an inn is like a hotel/motel.

so kind of, yes

thought it was confirmed.... you can get quests and stuff there.

When was the last time you slept at a bar? And planned on it...lol

I like how taverns look so far.

But other games are doing it very well too it seems. I like how the taverns are in The Witcher 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_keEqZFEBUA
Very atmospheric. I'm guessing Skyrim's will be the same, I hope

I think overhearing conversations
and getting quests at taverns was confermed (no link srry..)

But one thing i do have to say about overhearing conversations... in OB, did any of you randomly see New Topic pop up without even hearing anyone talk about anything? Thats something that needs to be tweaked a little bit.. i thought it was weird walking around town at nighttime in the Imperial City and New Topic would pop up and im all alone....

If taverns have (real time) liar's dice I can die a happy man.

Yeah, that happened to me quite a few times. I'm just like: .......oookkayy?

indeed. but thats not the worst part.. the worst part was that there were no place where you could check you Topics^^. its should have been in a book or something..

Yeah, what's the point in "overhearing conversations" if you dont actually overhear it..
it make just as much sense as giving me a new tpoic to talk about every 1 hour of gameplay.. i mean come on Bethesda...

i think to fix this altogether, would mean adding a book of topics, and fixing the telepathy power that every character is born with in OB..

Yeah,tavens shouled have more of an atmospire (Ugh,my spelling these days), And I belive I saw a lute player in a shot,so that may mean music..

Also when I go to the pub,I don't hear three different convos at once,it's background noise,I'
m sure you know how it sounds,that'
s how I would like it....

Since its already been stated that jails/prisons are gonna be different from place to place, I imagine taverns to be different from place to place also.

I was always afraid to touch anything in Oblivion taverns. I reckon the reason taverns felt a bit empty is customers accidentally picking up a goblet or a bit of fruit and ending up in jail.

Yeah me too, always thought a menu should pop up and say, "do you wish to purchase and eat/drink this item" Yes/No ?

Same goes for items left out in stores, should have option buy/attempt to steal item, pop up

Or when you go to stand up out of the chair,bang,you've stolen something....

Screw that, I go to mead halls and pass out drunk on top of the tables with a loaf of bread as a pillow.

I hope taverns will be more like Thirsk in Bloodmoon

And yeah, obviously we are going to need a lot of mead in Skyrim.

Aside from red dead redemption, I had never previously heard of this game. If it was in the game, i'd probably automatically associate it with RDR.

From what we saw in that trailer, it seems like taverns will be pretty diverse in comparison to other public areas. The idea that they will all bring a little bit of diversified nord culture to the table is still unknown.

It'd be interesting if each tavern had a specialty mead. Once again, how that mead is portrayed and what makes it special is still unknown.

I believe that in some fantasy, a bar/tavern can be part of an inn.

I often think of The Inn of the Last Home in the Dragonlance Series.

http://www.dlnexus.com/lexicon/14046.aspx is a tavern in Solace that is famous for its wonderful food and ale, as well as being the meeting place of the Heroes of the Lance.

It seems like many a good adventure has started in some dark corners of inns and taverns.

i never said i did?

I will be happy with the taverns and inns as long as the Owner doesn't watch me sleep for 12 hours like in Oblivion.
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