Should the version include a second DVD to instal part of the content on the console so that we can have a larger world. (the issue here is that DVD dont have alot of free space on them.
Also do you guys think that TES V will lag as much on 360 as TES IV?

Id like to hear arguments if you are for or against the instalation of content.

The PS3 version(note: a console version) already installs to the hard drive, and it uses blu-ray, which brings me to a question.

Why is it that people seem to believe the 360 is the only console Bethesda develops for, sometimes? I'm really curious as to why. Is the PS3 not a console? I'm referring to the use of the words console and consoles, which imply that we're discussing consoleS, not one of the consoles, but we are, in reality, only referring to one of the consoles. So why not just use the term "360" instead of "console/consoles"?

As for 360s, perhaps. I don't see why it shouldn't be done. Considering Bethesda's improvement on technology, I'm assuming TES V will run as well as TES IV on 360s, just because Bethesda can optimize better, but they chose to improve the engine even further so that it will, supposedly, be much more advanced than Oblivion's engine. I don't believe they would ever decrease performance from Oblivion, though. I just don't believe the new engine is going to kick the crud out of Oblivion's engine's capabilites while running better, or at least not significantly better.

I'm pretty sure you can install (its optional) any game 360 game you wish onto the 360 to make it load faster.

Huh, I've never really experience lag with Oblivion on the 360, well maybe only if I've been playing for like 6 hours and it starts to lag for like 10 minutes so I just need to restart it, but that's about it. Never was much of an issue with me.

i use more the term 360 because you dont have these isues on the ps3 (theres enought space on a blu-ray) there is less lag

I'm just referring to something, such as a thread title, that uses the term console(which implies, to me, at least, that we're discussing more than one console, just because the 360 isn't the only console), but only desribes a thread involving one of the consoles. It's nothing I personally have against one console or another, just in case it comes off that way. I'm just an annoying person who, if I became a language teacher, would make all of my students miserable for marking points off for the most trivial of things that only I would see as a problem.

Fallout 3 runs better on 360s than Oblivion, and it looks better, so TES V could certainly run better. Either way, TES V's engine will likely be much more advanced than Oblivion's so 360s will either get better graphics for the same amount of lag or less lag and better graphics.

ok man dont you think its possible to [censored] forget an s after console? i didnt do that to exclude the ps3 god

I didn't have any lag problems on my 360 with TES 4, only issue I would have was when the 360 would over heat after several hours in the middle of summer. The fan attachment fixed that problem.

As far as your question, I would not mind a install disk for the 360 if it would mean a bigger, better game & more fluid game play.

everyone i know encounter lag on oblivion. it seems that the momment you have DLCs and a house with stuff in it it starts to lag like hell

It's a laggy game, indeed. It lags for me running around in exterior areas, oftenly, and casting a destruction spell with a large area in a room full of clutter is always fun.

Why is a second disk needed to install a game to a hard drive, though?

The PS3 version of Oblivion/Fallout 3 has no DLC, is buggier, and has poorer performance, despite the PS3 having technically superior hardware. While these versions obviously exist, it gives the impression that Bethesda doesn't really care about the PS3, and as such that console is considered not really worth paying attention to when discussing console versions of Beth's games. Or at least, I would guess that's the reason for the wording. I don't have any current-gen consoles and as such seldom pay much attention to console-version discussions.

You're right on that, I had no issues with the GOTY version. Fighter's stronghold DLC give me no issues, it was when I added that wizard's tower that I started to have issues.... but luckly around the same time I found out my GOTY TES 3 was compateble with 360.... so I didn't have deal with OB's lagging issues ever again.

What!? I've never encounted any lag in Oblivion on XBOX 360. Atleast nothing serious. Granted, i never brought any of the DLC.

As for the question, i would be ok with that. I quess i'll be happy as long as i can get a physical copy of the game. :shrug:

But as far as i know, it's the voice acting who takes up most of the space in Oblivion.

Yeah it was mainly the first series of 360's that had issues or people who were not hooked up to xbox live who were not getting the updated fixes for the game. The whole DLC thing was a whole other issues, i.e. if you downloaded/instoled more then 1 add-on at a time you would be locked out of the other add-on, the game would crash alot and/or freeze. Loading screens would take several minutes to load or not at all.

With the install disk, basically it would download the meat & potatos ((Possibly the unchanging part of the TES world, land, water, trees, buildings.. ect) onto you're hard drive, the idea is that your 360 would get to consintrate on the "good stuff" of the main disk to get a more fluid game... no more loading screens hopefully. This whole thing about Todd Howard saying that the next game (hopefully it is TES V) that they have been working on will make you think that you are playing the game on a whole new console, sorta makes me think that they are planning something like this or along these lines.

And yes you would still get a physical copy of the game if the included a instal disk.

I have the original 12 gig hard drive with only a handfull of megs free. I'm probably not the only one either.

I hope the game is still playable without being required to install anything, and without losing any content.

EDIT: and a lot of people own the Xbox 360 that has no hard drive.

So, if they did this, I guess it could work as long as it was less than 500 megs, so it could fit on the memory card. But that would mean people would have to either erase all their game saves, or buy a new memory card.

That would be a weird and expensive requirement that would turn off a lot of console gamers.

The game would have to ship with a free memory card. Or, ship with one, and be more expensive than all the other titles for the quarter, to cover the cost of each memory card.

Call me crazy, but I've never experienced lag on any of the Xboxs I've played on, both regular and elite.

(Well, I guess it would lag if you got one of those cheap Xboxs)

Nope. My cheap-ass Xbox doesn't lag.

Besides, I think the only difference is the hard drive and the way the VGA chip is soldered or something stupid.

Umm... FYI Oblivion doesn't lag due to a lack of disc space or because it's not installed; it slows down due to poor engine optimization....

If you are saying that the loading times are longer uninstalled, that's not lag either, it's just slow loading times.

I'm a PS3 player.

The only experience I had with lag is playing the GOTY edition with a character that was made and played before I got that, on the normal edition.

I think the only time I've ever experienced lag was when my Oblivion GotY version broke when my Xbox fell over and hit hard carpet :sadvaultboy:, so I bought the vanilla version and installed my expansions from the second GotY disc. I waited and waited for those messages to appear, and they never did. I experienced HUGELY slow loading screens! I'm talking 3 minutes of waiting, with slight lag waiting for cells to load when adventuring. Though once I uninstalled the useless xpacs my game fixed itself.

I have experienced lag with other games, but all of Bethesda's games flowed pretty well.

Most multiplatform games are made on Xbox 360 and ported to PS3 (because it harder to make games on the PS3)

In my oppinion xbox 360 is one of those Fail consoles like the wii Your a software company And yet you cant make decent hardware? i played and xbox 360 and owned one the game selection they got on that heap of junk are so mainstream they just discourage me from buying them where's your wacky puzzle games or complex stratigicall games that are not based on world war 2 all you have is a [censored] load of shooters ranging from 3rd to first person that is one of the reasons I get turn of from fallout great story but you can't help to notice it's been done before

It failed at not svcking.

But, it didn't fail at being insanely popular and making craploads of money for Microsoft. So, it depends how you define "fail."

Its all a matter of opinion, I don't like to make assumptions but I'm guessing your a PS3 owner. I respect your opinion but this just seems like a lot of mindless bashing. Although the Xbox does have a lot of shooters they did attempt to make RTS's workable on consoles, and they have a lot of Wester RPGs such as Mass Effect and Fable (well Fable is suppose to be an RPG anyway) and many games from other genres. Please try to not turn this thread into a flame war.

Mass Effect 2 is on PS3 soon anyway...
ATM PS3 is dominating (I've had both consoles)