iv only used an invisibility potion once but it does not work like it should, and after reading some of the posts i can say with certainty that i am one of the very few people who understand what the spell should do. it does not make you invisible, it does not make the enemy think you just dissapeared and are still in the area, it makes the enemy think you dont exist anymore (or at least were swept up by the gods to who-knows-where, something alone those lines)

travisdead1 is right about the spell being screwed up in skyrim, it goes aganst the lore established by past games (the spell from oblivion, morrownd, and daggerfall [i think, its been awile since iv played daggerfall] has made the caster nonexistant to their enemys, that makes it the lore effect as far as i am concerned)

No, that isn't what invisibility does, since detect life still detects you. Invisibility bends the light on the caster. Thats the lore.

I care, because invisibility and mind-control spells were my favorite part of Oblivion. It's why I played it for 5 years, off and on. Dozens of times.

Some people apparently thought it was "overpowered", and Bethesda nerfed it, to make them happy.

These people don't care if others loved it. They think the game is like an MMO, where you should be judged on your gear, and "if you are a good player", or not. How you play is completely irrelevant in a single-player game. There is no one to judge or impress. Crying about things being "overpowered" is dumb. Don't use skills/abilities that make the game boring. Don't break your own fun. Of just sticfk to MMO's where it actually matters.

Apparently the OP cares. And I care. And others who are having the problem care. What I don't understand is that if it works for you, why are you chiming in on the topic in the first place?

Yet it works fine for me. Must be a bug on your guys end. I can cast invisibility right in front of something, run away to break eye contact, and they no longer know Im there. Or casting a mayhem spell while everybody can definitely see me, then casting invisibility right in front of them and them not even noticing me.


Because I don't think its a bug, I just think your not using it right.

Maybe you're the one experiencing the bug, since you're the minority.

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How the [censored] can you not use it right? You cast it/drink a potion/whatever you have to do and you should be invisible. No extra BS. That doesn't mean that the enemy should know where you are, should be able to follow you, or have any sense of your existence. They shouldn't even know if you used invisibility. For all they know you could have teleported or have been vanished to oblivion.

Plenty of people in this thread are experiencing it my way, so I doubt it. And if it is a bug, then I'm glad I have it, since its making it work like it should.

detect life is a spell made to counter invisiblity and chameleon spells (or it could just be one of the few things mages could actually advance on in mysticism). and if something has been in gameplay for 3 games it is lore, such as being able to sruvive great falls and being able to sneak in broad daylight right in front of someone without being noticed. besides, there is already a spell that serves the purpose of the so-called invisibility of skyrim, and it was left out

p.s. no illusion spell bends light or has any effect on the physical world, they all trick the mind of observers, what you describe as being the spell would be alteration

Nope, it bends light. Don't believe me? Then go look at the lore and read the books on Illusion and its right there. 3 games and its official lore? You just made that up, lol.

Part of the problem is simply a lack of reaction to the invisibility.
They just ignore it: "Oh, he turned invisible? I'll just use my radar hearing to hit him directly with every single attack, even if I'm 30 feet away with a bow".

Regardless, look at the post just below yours. The argument is Alteration vs Illusion in regards to the invisibility mechanics in Skyrim, and to be honest, the post below yours explains it pretty well.
"Nope, it bends light. Don't believe me? Then go look at the lore and read the books on Illusion and its right there. 3 games and its official lore? You just made that up, lol. "
Are you freaking kidding me?
"Illusion is one of the five schools of magic in Skyrim. Illusion magic focuses on changing the perception of the world from the viewpoint of the target. Increasing this skill reduces mana cost when casting illusion spells. Historical information about the School of Illusion is provided in the lore article.
In-game Description: The School of Illusion involves manipulating the mind of the enemy. This skill makes it easier to cast spells like Fear, Charm, and Invisibility."
- http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Illusion
"Illusion affects the perception and mind of living subjects."
Spell effects of the College of Illusion alter the perceptions and thoughts of living beings. Illusion effects blind, illuminate, paralyze, and silence, calm or enrage, charm, distract and camouflage, and render invisible."
- http://www.uesp.net/wiki/morrowind:Illusion
Use the school of illusion to create light, conceal, charm, paralyze or alter an actor's aggression or confidence.
- http://www.uesp.net/wiki/oblivion:Illusion

The only descrepency is in Oblivion, and it still acts on the AGRESSOR.

Illusion bends light. You could keep arguing in futility, or actually go look up the lore and see I'm right.

Unless that's not what your post is talking about. Since I'm not experiencing what the poster below me is, its working right for me.

I don't get how you say its illogical. If i was fighting someone and they suddenly vanished I would swing where they were a few times...

Maybe you don't realise you can pop invis then run and hide and they will start looking for you after there swings miss.

What your asking for is to make the AI [censored]tier. just because your an idiot doesn't mean the NPC's should be.

EDIT: if illusion is altering the persons mind to no longer see you then its doing just that. Its not altering the mind to forget you were just directly in front of them, and its not altering the mind to stop hearing you. Use sneak, even with unleveld sneak if your invisible and hide they won't find you. Unless of course you let them bump into you, or you know make noise.

EDIT: EDIT: just a quick note, if an NPC casts said invisbilty spell on you do you just go 'oh hes gone'? I know I don't I'm not that stupid and I wouldn't want my NPC's to be that stupid either.

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Maybe you're the one experiencing the bug, since you're the minority.


It's not a bug. Invisibility is working the way Bethesda conceived it to work. However, that way, the way it is working, and the way someone at Besthesda intended it to work, contradicts what the Illusion trainer says is Illusion...what the perks say is illusion "the skill of illusion involves manipulating the minds of the enemy." Direct quote. You are telling the enemies mind, that it can't see you. You HAVE NOT bent light. This is why I used the word "Illogical" in the original post title.

Bending light would be better described as "chameleon", and that should have always been alteration...bending matter to your will...instead of illusion. But it doesn't matter now, it's been taken from the game to make selfish people happy. They ruin my fun, because just can't stand the knowledge that ability/play style exists that is "too easy", "and overpowered", in their own opinion. It doesn't matter if others like it. Forcing Bethesda to bow to a subjective opinion.

Illusion mostly is altering the mind, and the trainer is talking about the physiological spells (fear, rally, etc.), not all illusion spells. We already know from lore that Illusion does more than that. Altering the perception of the world, not just the mind, directly. Otherwise Light would be an Alteration spell. Even the UESP, which is excerpted from the in game lore books, states that it is the bending, and removal of light.

Again I ask - why do you think it should work differently for npcs than for you? IMO the fact that it functioned differently (differently for pc vs npc) in OB was faulty design. It should be the same spell for both, and to the extent that it is not able to fool you it should not fool them either.

Start the game....hit tab....select "skills"...scroll to illusion, and read the description.

Why would ANYONE who could control the minds of others to the degree, that the other can't see him...why would the spell caster simply make it where the enemy couldn't see him and NOT control it's mind to also NOT hear him. NONE would. It's one of the things that is Illogical. But that is minor, because there is an Illusion spell to affects the enemies mind so that it can't hear you as well. Why you would make just that you are HARDER to hear is also illogical. But at least it exists.

However, using the 2 spells congruently, DOES NOT cause the enemy to quit attacking you, if your sneak is low. They can still hear you, and follow you about, hitting you. Mind magic....THE WAY THE GAME DESCRIBES IT TO BE,. would not work like that. It is illogical.

Erandur is right, at least with invisibility. Other illusion spells trick the mind; but invisibility is also made from alchemy. How would drinking a potion that made you invisible have any effect on another person's mind?

Skyrim's invisibility mechanic reminds me of James Bond Golden Eye on the 64, enter invisibility cheat for the lolz and they run up to u and follow you around as if they were pack dogs who could smell you out in the strangest of locations. Not that its a bad system in Skyrims, it just makes it overly difficult and confusing that your more invisible with a higher sneak then you are with an invisibility spell that renders you completely unseen, yet still makes you as obvious as a Nord bursting through the room swinging an axe.

LMFAO....someone FINALLY made a good point! That's great. Of course...how could drinking anything bend the light around you?

Anyway, it says Illusion is mind magic in the very description of the skill. But mobs don't not react to invisibility as it were a mind spell. It acts as if you have simply (simply..lol) simply altered the physical properties of matter, by bending the light around you. Which can be done with mirrors. THAT is what is Illogical.

Make invisibility an alteration spell. Or give us the spell effects of invisibility in Oblivion.

Or, hell, do nothing. That's probably whats going to happen anyway. They'll likely just leave it illogical, so it can gall me every time I play.

If you have low sneak you need to stay still, run away find a corner to hide in sneak and stay still.

The game describes it to not see you, thats it. your not manipulating there mind to forget you are there just to not see you.
would you seriously stop looking for someone just because you can't see them anymore? as I said before it's an improvement to the AI.

honestly your starting to sound like a troll to me, if you want to go by illogical, why is it when I catch someone on fire they still attack me and completely ignore that there on fire. Or how my horse fights by my side and doesn't run away. or how you can stick a kettle on someones head and steal right from under there nose. Or for that matter why is there magic at all. Because MAGIC IS ILLOGICAL.

we were making points a few pages ago. Its right there on the wiki page, excerpt from the in game books. You don't need to deduce anything, its right there. Apparently people just didnt want to take the 5 seconds to type something into google.

It gives you gas.....magical gas in fact....and the new fumes you produce, when inhaled by those around you play with there minds rendering you a mere blur or smudge in there vision....almost as if you smelled so bad their minds don't want to recognize you as actually existing.

It's either nanobots in the liquid or magic.

I'm gonna go with magic.

Exactly. The problem was you (TC) tried to involve logic in a place where the sun and stars are holes ripped through space by fleeing gods. A place where Nirn is built on the Bones of dead gods. A place where shouting can kill things. There is very little 'logic' on Mundus. And that's coming from someone who does try to logical deduce things within lore, about Nirn. But for somethings it just becomes obvious that this is a fictional medium that hasn't concerned itself that much with consistency. Even the devs have said that the fans care more for the lore than they do.