Invisible items. Not wtf missing meshes : IV

» Mon Sep 20, 2010 6:30 am

----[ 19/06/2010 01:57:53 ]
Armor 05016AE5
Chaindress
Defined in Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
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Armor 05000D13
Decorated Fur Greaves
Defined in Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm

Both of these showed up just plain invisible in my game after my recent updating spree. And I didn't touch Fran's this time around. Not intentionally anyway. I suspect I've done something while playing with the new (285) Wrye Bash. Fran's Optional New items has no bash tags at all in my current setup. Is that correct? Could it be the source of my issue?

(kinda funny, I know, considering...)

thanks,

gothemasticator

Load order.

Spoiler

Active Mod Files:00  Oblivion.esm01  GTAesgaard_2.esm02  Windfall.esm03  You Are Here.esm04  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm05  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm06  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]07  Qarls_Harvest.esm08  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]09  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]0A  VASE - core.esm0B  CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm0C  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]0D  Open Cities Resources.esm  [Version 3.3.2]0E  NNWAEMaster.esm  [Version 1.1]0F  CM Partners.esm10  beardy.esp11  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.6]12  DLCShiveringIsles.esp13  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]14  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.05]++  Shivering OOO.esp15  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp16  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp17  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp18  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp++  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]++  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]19  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]1A  Atmospheric Loading Screens - Random Quotes.esp1B  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp++  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD - SI Addon.esp  [Version 0.1]1C  WindowLightingSystem.esp1D  AmbientDungeons.esp  [Version 1.3]1E  AliveWaters.esp1F  AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp20  Ayleid Loot EXtension.esp21  Ayleid Loot EXtension - OOO Dungeons.esp22  AFK_PrayerIdles.esp  [Version 1.0]23  ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp24  Display Stats.esp  [Version 1.2]++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.78]25  Q - More and Moldy Ingredients v1.1.esp26  Qarls_Harvest.esp27  Quest Log Manager.esp  [Version 1.0]28  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 4.1.1]29  C&C - The Blackwood Company.esp2A  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.3.1]2B  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.0.2]2C  DLCOrrery.esp2D  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]2E  SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 1.11]2F  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp30  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]31  SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 1.11]32  DLCSpellTomes.esp++  DLCSpellTomes - 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» Mon Sep 20, 2010 5:18 am

Do you have the bsa - and, if so, is it registered in the ini or renamed so it loads correctly?

» Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:04 pm

I added tags for Boss and Bash Taglist.txt to Frans. So either use boss to get the tags or turn on automatic tagging in bash. Else adds these to Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm -

Actors.ACBS, Actors.AIData, Actors.CombatStyle, Actors.Stats, Delev, Invent, Relev, Stats

Have you tried the optimized pyfii Frans bsa that is posted in FCOM thread to see if that has same issue or not..?

» Mon Sep 20, 2010 4:54 am

Do you have the bsa - and, if so, is it registered in the ini or renamed so it loads correctly?

I do have the BSA - FraNewItems.bsa - I use BSA redirection in Wrye - not all items from Fran's are invisible, just those two so far in a couple hours of playtime.

I added tags for Boss and Bash Taglist.txt to Frans. So either use boss to get the tags or turn on automatic tagging in bash. Else adds these to Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm -

Actors.ACBS, Actors.AIData, Actors.CombatStyle, Actors.Stats, Delev, Invent, Relev, Stats

Have you tried the optimized pyfii Frans bsa that is posted in FCOM thread to see if that has same issue or not..?

Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm is tagged appropriately. Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm has no tags. I guess this is correct. And the invisible items are from the Optional New Item Add-On.

I do use the pyffi-ed meshes from the thread.

These items were not invisible before I updated Wrye Bash to 285. The only things in the load order I changed after updating Wrye were:

Added Atmospheric Loading Screens
Added Display Stats
Updated Enhanced Economy
Added Quest Log Manager
Added Crossbows of Cyrodiil
Added Explosives
Removed Alive Waters Slaughterfish plugin
Removed MMM-G&GD
Added G&GD OOO OBSE
Added Brotherhood Renewed
Added Kragenir's Death Quest and compatibility patches
Added VASE
Added Shining Creatures
Updated The Crimson Queen

And I did not have this issue with the chain dress before updating. Immediately after updating, it became invisible. My character is wearing the chaindress, and I play exclusively in 1st person, so i thought I would ignore it until I ran into an orc wearing the invisible greaves. So, now I'm trying to track it down. Thanks for helping.

This is why I suspect the bashed patch as the culprit. Well, 286 is due soon. And glitches with Import Names and a couple of other things should be ironed out. I'll try the new version and see what happens to the chaindress.

EDIT: Oh, and I see in my load order that I have two different Aesgaard Delayers - have now removed Wrinklyninja's one and left in Aelis'. Not that that has anything to do with invisible Fran's items.

gothemasticator

» Mon Sep 20, 2010 12:57 pm

I'm resurrecting this unresolved thread, because since I posted it I have seen at least three others report the same invisible clothing/armor problem. I'm puzzled. I don't remember ever seeing this issue reported in the last year or so, so I can't figure out why several people suddenly have it.

Ideas?

I'm going to fiddle some tonight and see if I can't work it out. I think I've only fired up the game once or twice since starting this thread, and I just ignored the invisibility. I don't play in third person, so the chaindress only hits me when I'm in menu. And so far I've only seen the other invisible item on one NPC. Hmmm...

gothemasticator

EDIT: ...and it was as Arkngt suspected. I simply added in FraNewItems.bsa to the ini file and voila! the items are visible again. Hmmph. Don't know why they went invisible when they did, though. Could it be the new ini tweaks features of Wrye Bash 285? Could initializing that have erased the bsa from the ini?

gtm