Invisible Torso Problem : IV

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:41 pm

I'm wondering if anyone can explain why the torsos of guards are invisible. It's only guards which i really don't understand

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» Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:26 am

22 Crowded Roads 7.esp <-- Replace with the "Revisited" version.

Mods for Troubleshooting - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=troubleshooting_mods <-- Use RefScope to figure out what owns the defunct mesh, and check the mod(s)' installation(s).

How did you go about installing OOO?

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:25 pm

I used formid finder on a few of the guards and it says its missing a mesh from meshes\armor\nico's dreadweave armor\dreadweave cuirass.nif and that doesnt make sense because i don't have that installed and never did and a guard shouldn't be wearing that to start with. Also this problem doesn't affect all the guards only a few.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:58 pm

That is the mesh's path, not the owner of the mesh. It is likely that that is added by an overhaul, if you do not have any of Nico's mods installed. You want to know which plugin owns the mesh, and check the relevant mod's install config.

Did you use the OOO EXE to install OOO 1.33?

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 12:44 pm

I installed it manually but I don't think OOO is the problem because when I disabled my bashed patch loaded up the game and then waited three days the problem went away.

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:41 am

I installed it manually but I don't think OOO is the problem because when I disabled my bashed patch loaded up the game and then waited three days the problem went away.

That does not mean OOO is not at fault. Do you no which plugin owns the file? The Bashed Patch probably has many things imported into it. Start with the mods with plugin in Import Graphics, if you must go that route...

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 2:47 am

ok looks like it wasn't my bashed patch because i ran into the problem again so i checked it with refscope like you said and it get

Armor 06000CE6
Name: Lector Cuirass
Defined in Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm
Non-Playable

Missing resources:
Armor\Nico's Dreadweave Armor\Dreadweave Cuirass.nif
Armor\Nico's Dreadweave Armor\Dreadweave Cuirass Female.nif
Armor\Nico's Dreadweave Armor\Dreadweave Cuirass_gnd.nif
Armor\Nico's Dreadweave Armor\Dreadweave Cuirass_gnd.nif
Armor\Nico's Dreadweave Armor Icons\Dreadweave m cuirass icon.dds
Armor\Nico's Dreadweave Armor Icons\Dreadweave f cuirass icon.dds

but MMM is packed in a BSA so what should I do next?

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 4:43 pm

Use OBMM's BSA browser to confirm that they are indeed inside the MMM BSA. Is your MMM BSA named "Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.bsa"?

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 1:06 am

Well I extracted the bsa to check and it is indeed missing for some reason. So now can someone point me to where i can get these meshes and icons.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:15 pm

Well I extracted the bsa to check and it is indeed missing for some reason. So now can someone point me to where i can get these meshes and icons.

You could've just used the BSA browser. There was no reason to extract anything. However, I would next check the OOO install. The MMM team would have heard about this if they were supposed to be the ones providing these meshes. If someone else cannot verify this for you, I can check my OOO archive when I get home, and let you know if they should be in there. Check the Info for your OOO OMOD for these files as well.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 8:09 pm

You could've just used the BSA browser. There was no reason to extract anything. However, I would next check the OOO install. The MMM team would have heard about this if they were supposed to be the ones providing these meshes. If someone else cannot verify this for you, I can check my OOO archive when I get home, and let you know if they should be in there. Check the Info for your OOO OMOD for these files as well.

Those files are not OOO or MMM, they are however in FCOM_convergence.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 10:26 pm

Those files are not OOO or MMM, they are however in FCOM_convergence.

Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm <-- has nothing to do with FCOM

Edit: Something is really not adding up here...

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 12:26 am

Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm <-- has nothing to do with FCOM

Edit: Something is really not adding up here...

I know it doesn't.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 1:07 pm

Btw i forgot to mention I installed OOO 1.33 and 1.34 patch manually when you asked before but I've checked the archive and they aren't located there either.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:08 pm

I know it doesn't.

I know you know. >:( <-- angry face

Edit: temporary fix - http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/search.php?name=Nico%20Dread&scid=20&author=&mname=&desc=&size1=&size2=&downloads1=&downloads2=&udate1_day=&udate1_month=&udate1_year=&udate2_day=&udate2_month=&udate2_year=&ldate1_day=&ldate1_month=&ldate1_year=&ldate2_day=&ldate2_month=&ldate2_year=&endorsemants=&images=&readme=&advltonly=&page=1&orderby=name&order=DESC <-- grab the OMOD version if you use OBMM; otherwise, the original of course...

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 11:28 pm

ok thanks but what I'm wondering is if this is a packaging error then why am i the only one who has this problem :confused:

» Thu Aug 19, 2010 3:25 am

ok thanks but what I'm wondering is if this is a packaging error then why am i the only one who has this problem :confused:

I really do not know. I am also a little surprised that the guards are wearing Nico's armor, but maybe I just did not pay enough attention to them or something...

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 3:59 pm

yeah i'm pretty sure that they shoudn't be wearing it. take a look at this lol

http://i985.photobucket.com/albums/ae335/br0sk1/ScreenShot31.jpg

clearly this doesn't fit at all and i'm at a loss for an explanation as to why they would be wearing it.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:47 pm

Ok turns out this is a problem from my bashed patch and not a packaging error at all, i guess i must have reactivated it when i disabled it before. Seems that importing inventory from "Mart's Monster Mod - Hemingweys NPC and Guard Capes.esp" into the patch is what was causing this the whole time though i have no idea why it makes the guards wear nico's armor. sorry for all the confusion.

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 7:49 pm

Ok turns out this is a problem from my bashed patch and not a packaging error at all, i guess i must have reactivated it when i disabled it before. Seems that importing inventory from "Mart's Monster Mod - Hemingweys NPC and Guard Capes.esp" into the patch is what was causing this the whole time though i have no idea why it makes the guards wear nico's armor. sorry for all the confusion.

That's kind of good, haha... I guess you should not import that guy. Maybe you should let the author know, unless Nico's mod was listed as a requirement for that particular add-on...

Happy gaming!
- Tomlong75210

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 5:23 pm

We reading the http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1083110-relz-hemingweys-capes-version-2/page__view__findpost__p__16302405and you stated you have a thread about the subject at hand.

ok looks like it wasn't my bashed patch because i ran into the problem again so i checked it with refscope like you said and it get

Armor 06000CE6
Name: Lector Cuirass
Defined in Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm

Some how of another you have Activated the FCOM Entropic Order in MMMforOOO. :rolleyes:

Has that is only way that Guard with armor would have shown up. Which is missing from MMM.bsa once again. It is in FCOM_Convergence.bsa..so extracting it from the bsa is best solution for now.

Need to look into it further and see why entropic order got activated in MMMforOOO that is FCOM feature only..

» Wed Aug 18, 2010 2:09 pm

That is weird since I never used FCOM and this was a fresh install. My load order has changed somewhat since then so I'll post it again in case it helps any.

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