Okay everyone.
I am like pretty pissed so if I snap at you its not your fault.
This post was written with me in angry mode, so yeah.

I understand obsidian developed nv, and I actually commend them on their work. Great diolauge, cool stuff, no "Oh lol his head asplode" more "Oh cool look at that lore, I love that art direction etc."

I blame bethesda for not giving obsidian time or money to switch engines. In my optinion there is only so much you can do with that engine. Its a bundle of fail. I also blame bethesda for fo3 (as a developer). I liked it, but they dropped it like a hot potato and no longer patch. dlc was crap and they broke win 7 and quad core support for certian situations in a bugfix patch. So I no longer buy games from them as a developer (unless they engine switch, I'm all for TESV in BEAUTIFUL DX11 OR DX12)

Okay, if you all don't know FONV does not work well for high end machines, laptops, or pretty much any computer.
Lots of crash 2 desktops, lots of fail.

I did a test to see how well fallout nv would perform on a top tier pc.
My uncle owns a repair shop and was equally dissapointed in fallout new vegas.
He tells each and every one of his customers who ask for a copy "I no longer stock bethesda titles due to their poor performance on high end machines."
CONGRADULATIONS BETHESDA he no longer stock your games. You didn't lose ONE customer, or TWO, you lost hundreds.
Also nice one on not responding to my tech support question after specifically requesting my dxdiag

Single gtx 480
Dual 480 SLI
Single 6850
Dual 5870

i7 980x stock

16 GB DDR3 Ram

Windows 7 64 bit pro.

RAM DRIVE 12 GB for steam and fallout nv)
4GB ram for os and applications.
Considering its a 32bit exe it can't use more than 2gb I'm safe giving it a 4 gb os ram limit.
Page file put on ram (oh baby) 512mb
*Tried with a 10gig ram bucket and disabled page file on ram, put page file on hdd . No diffrence

No dll fix, retail, latest patch.



1920x1080 4x aa ultra
Measured fps in the fight for goodsprings. Was god mode in the middle of it spinning around
single 480 7.98 fps average
dual 480 6.11 fps average
6850 6.20 average
dual 5870 8.55 fps average

All sub 10 fps all very high end card(s)
High end cpu

Each givent their own 60gig ssd so no driver conflicts.
(same mobo, swapped video cards and hdd to keep it simple)

All directx web setup ran, latest drivers downloaded.



EVEN ON A RAM DRIVE IT PERFORMS LIKE CRAP.
A RAM DRIVE, A DRIVE THAT CAN PUMP THE ENTIRE GAME IN AND OUT LESS THAN A SECCOND ON A BAD DAY.
No performance gain with low quality, no gain on hdd or ssd.
I do not see anything I can do besides an unlicednced dll hack to play A GAME I PAID FOR.

If it wasn't for TESIV you'd have lost a customer.
You will not fail me again.

So any of you get it working without a dll hack?
Didn't think so.
Would you buy again?

EDIT
A lot of you have been voting incorrectly in the poll.
You have to vote No if your using any hacks/fixes to make the game work that wern't supplied by the publisher or developer.

AND

Bethesda is a fail publisher I will not buy from them.
They did not give obsidian enough time or money to use a diffrent engine.

Bethesda is a fail developer I will not buy from them.
They broke windows 7 compatibility in their latest patch, along with quad core support.
The previous patches worked better, and they abandon every game 6-9 months after releace for patches dlc, updates, fixes.

So I am not blaming obsidian. They did the best they could under the stupidity of bethesda. I liked their writting and art direction. It wasn't a gore about "OH LAWL I BLEW A DUDES HEAD OFF OMG" its a "Dear lord what happend here. Oh god, look at that scenery, oh listen to that holotape, oh did she just say that, oh wow this diaolauge is written by someone who is older then 10 for someone who is older then 10 to get all the references out of. Oh cool no generic raiders who hate you for no reason even when your wearing their armor. Oh wow guards think your one of the pack until you get close and don't have 200 meter behind walls and around corners disquise see through kill vision who can aim around walls and shoot through corners.

Obsidia did the best they could with the fail they had.
We should not blame obsidian whatsoever.
They did nothing wrong.

Well look at that, aren't you cool. :violin:

I have a mid ranger PC, can run the game fine on near Ultra settings, have gotten less than five crashes, no freezes, and no major bugs in 100 hours of gameplay.

Also, what do you mean by Bethesda games? Games published by Bethesda Softworks or games developed by Bethesda Game Studios? Because BGS did not work on New Vegas.

But, whatever, the game runs incredibly well for me, and I will continue to support Obsidian/Bethesda Softworks/BGS.

Don't care.
Anything with ZeniFAIL2DAMAX or Bthesda softworks or bethesoft on the box.
It was their choice not to supply the devs with enough time or money for a new engine.


But does it run without the dll fix?
Are you running a modern card?
Whats your specs?

Because it performs well on old dx9c cards and horribly on dx11 cards

The reason is because it uses the cards name for assesing its capabilities. That means new cards are unknown so they don't utilize the full potential.
So imo worst way to do something they did it that way.

Goodjob. Well done.

I haven't had an issue, but my system wouldn't be considered high end.

I am a little disappointed in your Uncle since he used to carry Bethesda games and from what you have implied he should know that they just produced it and Oblivion made it.

Biased poll is biased


lol Blaming Bethesda for an Obsidian game again

Well the only one that made sense to me in your poll, is I probably won't purchase a Bethesda name or Obsidian name on a game (regardless of who is pointing fingers, your name is on it, you take responsibility.) until after the reviews have been established. I am however not happy I had to go to the extent I did to get a full refund on my PC copy of the game a week after release. I am thankful I got my refund and was not ripped off, because I don't tolerate settling for a "take your losses and move on" attitude. Thanks to this site, which I used for ammo to get my refund.

WRONG!
The publisher did not give the developer enough time or money to change to a working engine.
Therefore I will not buy games from a fail publisher

FO3 was broken by bethesda in win7. Earlier versions worked better, and they broke quad core support.
Bthesda is a fail developer so I will not buy gams from them.

So I do not know how you could make this mistake.
PS Using the illegal dll fix?

Bethesda didn't lose customers; your uncle did. Took a couple of days of ini tweaking, but I'm running smooth, way below minimum specs.

The game ran fine without the dll, but I do get better performance from it.

My specs:

AMD Phenom™ 9500 Quad-Core Processor (4 CPUs), ~2.2GHz
3582MB RAM(It's 6GB, but I'm on a 32 bit OS)
ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series(5750)

Like I said, runs great on near ultra settings, and it's a fairly mediocre computer.

Okay, I can somewhat see that, but the general public would consider a 'Bethesda game' to be a game they made and not just produced. There is a difference and no amount of telling me I am wrong in caps will change that. But that will be an agree to disagree situation.

So it's moving onto FO3 now with no mention of or previously, we can not open that can of words.

Thanks for asking me in if I am doing something illegal to get the game to work on my computer. I installed it and have been playing it without issue. The only adjustments with the game were pumping resolution and changing key bindings.

You forgot several options that I (and I assume others) would choose:
Does it run well
Yes. I meet/exceed system requirements, it required some tweaking, but once tweaked it does run well.

Would you buy the next fallout or fallout dlc
Yes. The engine needs updating but fortunately, I'm still having a ball with this game.

Has this engine outlived its usefullness?
No. It has bugs and issues and needs updating, but it's still good.

Buy a bethesda title ever again (TESV excluded, you can buy that)
Yep. AFAIK, Nobody else makes/publishes complete sandbox games like this that I enjoy so well.

Translation: Until you can untangle your undies and post a reasonably non biased poll, don't expect a proper set of answers. Or answers at all, in my case.

PS. The DLL fix isn't illegal to my knowledge. I'm using it, ohnoes.

Eh may not be illegal illegal but its modified close source code so mabey breaking a few inelectual proporty rights.
AKA the one string of code telling you have a gpu you dont own, that string isn't public domain but whatever no one cares.

And yes my undies are too tight, I am quite pissed right not.
I'm sorry for taking it out on you.
Friends?

sure.

The only fixes done on my machine have been the auto-download patches from Steam. My system is stripped for gaming with minimum startup apps (Spybot, Microsoft Security Essentials and CCC) and unneeded services disabled. I do not run any communication programs while playing. I do not alt tab. I simply play the game(s).

I run about 20 hours with a new character before getting a cdt. After that, I'll get another about every 4 or 5 hours, so I do make frequent saves.

The hardware on Win7 64bit Home Premium:

Intel I7 930
XFX 5790
12GB OCZ Gold 1600
Asus P6X58D Premium
Integrated Audio (Realtek)

All settings are maxed and I'll get an occasional hesitation when in a mob scene. The only bug I've noticed is radscorps sometimes running at periscope depth.

Edit: Oh yeah, I'm running the Catalyst 10.10.

Just curious why TESV is excluded when it's going to use the same engine. Seems to negate your whole point is all.

By the way I'm loving New Vegas. I haven't touched the dll fix. Aside from the occasional ctd and the repconn corrupt save issue I haven't had any problems.

i7 920
win7 64
gtx 295 latest drivers
6g ram

I think your luck is your audio. 2.0? 2.1? 5.1? 7.1?
And WHY do you have 12gb of ram and a 5790?
Unless it was a mispell and you have a 5970

gamebryo is weird like that.
My out of game luck stat may be affecting it.

Edit: well.... I wish it worked for me without an illegal fix:cry:
Edit edit: Is there any other explanation besides cpu? Our test systems were using amd, had a collosal ammount of ram, and a dedicated sound card to save motherboard bandwidth. Does fallout get 100 fps on intel and 6 on amd? Its either the soundcard or something else but our setups require the dll fix. I've never been around a computer that didn't so manbey your onboard sound is what is doing it.

Also Logitec g35 7.1 headset.
Thank me later, look on ebay you can get them for $70-90 instead of retail $150 at newegg (havent checked in a while tho)
Besides you spent s crap ton on other components but only have a mid tier sound setup.

Also your mom no longer yells at you for loud fire fights in mw2. Like goku I'm just sayian.

If it uses the same failbro engine I'm going to go postal.
I wish I was joking.

Yep, typo...5970...the XFX Black Edition. Just a 2.1 speaker set up though. I have no proper place to hang a 5.1 setup.

And your claiming that it runs fine on my setup because it's only 2.1 on integrated audio? I'm not buying that.

Obsidian is definitely lacking behind in their optimization of the game for all PC users. But luckily the trusty moders have come out with many fixes for most all of the issues within the first week of the release. Game runs absolutely beautifully and flawlessly with them installed. I'm no longer complaining. The game is really amazing past the performance and bug issues.

And get real, they aren't about to simply switch engines just for DLC. You have no idea what that would actually entail. The engine is fine. The quality assurance at obsidian isn't.

This poll is really bad.
Has this engine outlived its usefullness?
-Yes.
-No. Its teh coolzorz (Why do you need to make all people who vote this look like a fool?)

Buy a bethesda title ever again (TESV excluded, you can buy that)
-Heck no, NEVAR AGAIN
-Mabey one more. Then I'm done. Just one more hit.
-.... (can't you also just add a 'yes'?)

Would you buy the next fallout or fallout dlc
-Yes. (but I'm on xbox so I'm not expirencing these things)
-Only if engine change (so if I want to say no that can only be because I think the engine svcks?)
-yes. I already own mugs, platnum chips, and doll houses (it would be yes....but I don't own all these things :S what do I need to answer?)

Also your uncle isn't the most clever salesman is he? Not selling the game to hundreds of customers must mean HE loses a lot of money while Bethesda only loses a very very small percentage of it's total sales.
Really costumers who want to buy fallout new vegas aren't going to be stopped by some salesman. They just go to the next shop who does sell it.

I can't use the poll because a lot of the possible answers don't apply to me. But I can answer the first one:
I got a computer with (to quickly sum it up):
6gb ram
i7 950 (not overclocked)
2x hd5770

I run the game at a resolution of 1920*1080 and every other graphic options maxed out. The game runs really smooth even with a lot of nps's around. I don't need to use any fix. The game rarely crashes.

Nice one, I bet you put at least some effort in creating this thread, ddxxlll, but who needs more proof that F:NV failed at its release? Just look at these forums and feedback from people from all over the world. F:NV failed, Bethesda and Obsidian failed and as of yet I feel robbed of my €60 I paid for the CE.
BUT, just thinking back about how much I enjoyed Fallout 3 and how stable it ran (just a few CTD's in the 70 hours I played, and very rare framerate drops in VATS) reminds me that I should be faithful and hope they'll fix F:NV to the point I can actually enjoy it, hopefully even more than FO3.
:fallout:

As an actual games tester I have to put some of my input in:
Most of the games are released for console platforms, so most of the testing is usually done for XBOX and PS3 - don't whine about PC version being buggy - PCs are not intended for games,, if u wish to play a stable version - go buy an X360 - all problems will be solved. Testing a game for PCs takes loads of time, and requires loads of money to at least get some of the hardware available - PC gaming is over - face the truth. You want to know how a game testing process works and why the mmost bugs are in the PC version? Here you go:

1. Most of the games are sold for consoles - selling in millions of copies - the pc market is just a fraction of it - so why bother spending too much money on testing for PCs? Even though, if the game will be released a little amount of people will buy it,. max 200 000 copies will be sold - so the income compared to the console versions is pretty low - why to invest in testing for PCs?
2. A farily high number of PC users will download a pirated version of the game using p2p.
3.In order for the game to be released on consoles - the game needs to comply certain standarts - both for the Sony Console and the Microsoft one - so most of the focus is put into complying with those standarts (FTC/TCR for XBOX TRC for PS3) - PCs have no standards at all so the port for PC is dealt at the end - in the final stage of the project.
4. PC is a custom platform, there are so many different configurations, that the developers are just not able to comply with all the configurations, and can only test and release the title for the most popular graphic cards/ motherboards and processors. Read point 1 and 2 why releasing a game for PCs is not profitable.
5. Since there is so little time for testing the PC versions, most of the companies decide to release the game as it is, and then release patches - this doesn't hurt anybody and in the end the PC verson always runs in better graphics / stability than the console version


So why at all bother releasing a game for PC?

I have a great respect for all the developers, and I know how stressing and ungrateful this work is because such noobs as you.

If you cvan do it better- do a game yourself and do the testing, if you own loads of money - just be a sponsor of a game - we'll see how you sing after the budget for such a project is counted.
For now be grateful that this great game was released for the PC market.
If you do't like the game, stay put and don't buy it - your whining won't do anything.



Instead of buying new hardware each month - go buy an Xbox. If you don't like it stop playing at all - no one asks you to do it. On my gf 9600 , 4 gigs of ram and a dual core athlon 64 processor I got 45+ frames on Windows 7 in high detail + very hgih LOD settings. Instead of [censored]ing around, be happy what you got.

If you don't know anything about the specifics fo the games industry don't write [censored] posts, get some info instead.
Grow up

@ Bethesda guys - yeah this is why games should be released only for consoles - so that such a ingnorant fool won't criticise your work :/
Testers are with you - remember

Offtopic: I envy the happiness of that other universe where Black Isle Studios actually finished Fallout: Van Buren. :cold:

Ontopic: First day of Fallout New Vegas was just horrible (This forum was hell back then). They give you amateur coded game and expect me to pay them full game price.

And people, please don't vote "1. Yes. I meed requirements, it runs good near npc and other areas. No major glitches" after you got all Obsidian and Fan made Patches and Fixes :S

Works fine for me.

:bolt: