What? Powder Gangers are criminals with bad gear, why should they pose a challenge, and the second part is even more ridiculous, it is a freaking super mutant, they are supposed to be strong and well armed, level scaling is the exact opposite of what makes sense.

So they arent suppose to die after like 500 rounds are put into it? No i dont think so, thats just bull sh*t. They shouldnt be godlike...

They should die after an appropriate amount of ammo from a powerful weapon, maybe you shouldn't fight a hyper-evolved human with a 9mm SMG.

Most of the New Vegas super muties are reeeeally old dogs from Mariposa, from the Master days, really like... TOP veterans. (Evidence in the fact that they have survived that long since those days, wandering in the desert)

They gotta be uber tough and you have to fight those venerables with respect. At least that's what I do.

Personally, I REALLY like the fact that they are tough. :biggrin:


That aside, being an original Fallout 1&2 player myself, I DO have to admit that FONV could have used a lot of random encounters in there (interesting ones as well as combat) to vary a part of the gameplay experience each time while playing through the extremely well thought out main quest. I'm really hoping there to be mods for this someday!!

I dunno, the 9mm round is not exactly a weak round either though.

9mm should do the trick because it penetrates well and the SMG puts alot of rounds out really quickly.

Yeah, not against a super mutant.

Wtf 500 rounds were you using the mesmatron?

I guess I don't really see your logic...because their resilience is akin to a grizzly bear? Being huge and strong with lots of muscle and thick skin doesn't make you bulletproof, just harder to kill. I'm pretty sure even though most small rounds are ineffective for use on grizzly bears due to having lots of muscle/tissue/fat that if you emptied a 30 round magazine of 9mm rounds he'd still go down pretty easily.

Most 9mm Luger travels at 1000 to 1400 feet per second with lots of penetration into ballistic gelatin.

It's just how it is, Super Mutants are super soldiers, their skin is bulletproof, to an extent.

Well if there skin was bullet proof then he would hava point .But i don't see why peeps are applying logic to something highly fictional . Lol this is so off topic from someone being bored to killing grisly bears.

I am not applying real world logic, that is the lore behind super mutants.

I agree they should be hard. i mean there a bit pethetic right now.

They were pathetic in FO3, but NV does them a bit better. Still not as well equipped as they were in the originals.

No you mean pethetic in both they pose as much of a threat as me getting swine flu during a nuclear winter.

This is a prime example of why I hate new Fallout fans. If you can even call them fans.

New fans are just as legit as old fans all though if they mock a games graphics thats 15 years old they should be fed to the swans.

Yeah. That, and how we should only play games that "look cool." I guess deformed facial models and awkward animations are "cool?" LMFAO

I dont know, they have a high DT and use powerful weapons like the Heavy Incinerator and the LMG.

you play fallout to build different charactors ? wtf.. not the point of the game

I really dont understand some people..
I started playing FO3, and it was a great game, but it lacked story, quests ( although almost all of the sidequest were great ) and if you didnt enjoy exploring the metro and dungouns, it wasnt really so much to do all the time. For me NV was a huge improvement with the atmosphere, story and the chances to take it slow and RP the character. I am 15 years, and I havent played the first games, so I cant really say if the first two game were better. But some people behave like a ten year old kids or as very imature teenagers.
" Hmm, the most important thing in games are...graphics, a huge selection of weapon, alot of stuff to kill...hmm...more weapons?"

I have put toghter a list I think you will like.

http://www.ea.com/battlefield3

http://www.callofduty.com/

http://www.ea.com/crysis-2

http://www.stalker-game.com/

Have fun.

Yeah I was the one using real world logic, I still think you're underestimating the sheer amount of ammunition being expended. 30 rounds point blank traveling that fast should still do some serious damage even if the target in question was very resilient, with the drum mag there's no question that it should die in my mind. Anyways there's no point in arguing because neither of us can prove the other right or wrong without developer intervention and the chances of winning the lottery are higher than the chances of that happening. :laugh:

It's called "game logic", it takes over in combat. Get used to it.

Sarcasm? It's an RPG centered around faction choices. Yes that's the point.

I personally think "new" fans are fans, but not to the same level as older fans, in terms of love of Fallout and knowledge of lore. I am a "new" fan, and I think that that description is perfectly accurate.

I am not trying to denounce new fans, because I am one.

I'm a new fan in terms of series introduction (Got Fallout 3 around when it first came out), but I think theres 2 major splits in the fan base, and a 3rd 'middleman' group. The two major groups are are the Old vs New, then the minor group (Which I fall in) only cares about lore and sensible design of the game world. I don't LIKE the old games in terms of core gameplay, but as long as the game brings proper portrayal, understanding, and little if any abuse against the lore, I'm okay with most gameplay styles, so long as keeps some semblence of it's roots as a roleplaying game.

As for New Vegas, I'm on an extended hiatus since my PS3 moving joystick has a forward moving bias (It's 3 years old and has extensive use). But my complaint about F3 and NV is this, when I play New Vegas, I wish for more exploration, when I play F3, I feel like there is so much to see, but nothing to actually do. Exploring for explorers sake gets tedious.