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Yes it is the point of the game,or rather, the re-playability of the game.

:ph34r: bethesda isn't concerned about "believability" and "plausibility" of the game world....not to the degree obsidian is... there isn't much to explore in new vegas cause obsdian doesn't think its "believable/plausible" to have big dungeons, more enemies on the map, secret bases, behemoths, the mechanist or antagonizer, giant robots, more interesting game environments etc...bethesda incorporates elements of fantasy far past anything obsidian would do, they aren't obsessed with "believability" to the point where it prevents them from making the game fun, bethesda uses much more artistic license then obsidian does, obsidian has their hands tied by their game philosophy of everything having to be "plausible" or "believable, that greatly limits things you can do in a game.. having those kind of self limiting restrictions isn't part of bethesda gamemaking, thats an obsidian game making philosophy, so the two groups who like their respective game aren't gonna be seeing eye to eye at all. i ain't looking for a sensible game world, not to the point where you need to take out 90% of the fun. thats not a good tradeoff in my opinion.

The way I see it... That's not a compliment towards Bethesda.

Do what I've done and make a sniper.

I used a fully modded Hunting Rifle...and if you have a PC (sorry if this has been mentioned, I havent read the whole thread) then here are some mods to keep your game alive!

http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=34921 - This basically adjusts all weapons Damages, so you CAN get a kill by a headshot, but also enemies can kill YOU with a headshot! It also makes it easier to kill people in NORMAL armours, but damn near impossible to kill someone in Power Armour.

http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=40139 - This basically just improves the NCR's armour! It looked alright before, but now they look AWESOME!


http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=39610 - Not to be confused with the above Mod! This gives the NCR more firepower. Light machine guns, Assault Carbines with Grenade Launchers attached and much more! You wouldn't want to be with the Legion when this mods loaded!

http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=40040 - I don't know how to best describe this. A follow-on from FWE on FO3....take a look!

http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=34888 - This basically makes the game look nicer!

http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=38623 - As it says in the title, this mod increases spawns all round the wasteland so now I can't walk for 5 minutes without either getting into a fight, or seeing one!

http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=38817 - This basically makes all Energy Weapons more powerful! Best used with Realistic Battle and Dynamic Combat, it helps take down the guys in Power Armour easier!


And yes, all these mods can run at the same time, I'm currently doing it! But if you used Realistic Battle and NCR Rearmament at the same time, they tend to conflict so put the PNV.esp at the TOP of the load order and NCRRearmament.esp at the very bottom!

Sorry again if you DON'T have a PC, I'm just trying to help you get more out of the game

That pretty much breaks lore and in game sens


NCR is SUPPOSED to be underequipped, the NCR is running low on government money.


Why? Fallout isn't an FPS dungeon crawler

Yes, I am being 'that guy', big whoop.

I am merely pointing out ways to make the game more enjoyable as this topic is about being bored. The Rearmament has a lore friendly version, and ok perhaps it isn't all lore friendly, BUT it looks a damn lot nicer than their original armour.

Although the Rearmed mod makes the NCR better equipped I've found there are still some outposts which have awful supplies, it merely makes the NCR's soldiers at MAJOR locations (like McCarran and Hoover Dam) better armed. I've found rangers in some of the camps using just 9mm pistols or melee weapons.

Increased Wasteland Spawns doesn't turn New Vegas into a dungeon crawler. It makes the game more realistic by adding slightly more creatures and having factions actually patrol area's they control, but also adds raiding parties (I've been at Forlorn Hope when its been raided by a group of legionarries).

But hey, not all mods are to everyones tastes
I'd hate to get in an argument over them

Considering that their design philosophy is "live another life on another world" that's not exactly a good thing. If you want to immerse the player in your setting you need to make the world believable.



Legionnaires raid Camp Forlorn Hope in the vanilla game.

Ah...my bad!
I've never actually had that happen to me before I installed IWS...

making the world "believable" isn't a philosophy game developers make a top priorty and for a reason, absoloute realism is boring, making the game have some aspects that are believable is fine, but being obsessed with realism and believability like obsidian did with new vegas led to it being extremely dull fairly early on, and actually traversing the map is boring as hell, you can't just say oh its a desert its suppose to be like that.. have you ever been to the real mojave desert? its not very exciting, lots of sand, different types of dry bushes, there is civilization but its pretty boring, thats not really what i would be shooting for. artistic license needs to be employed for various elements of the game, like enemies, random encounters, spawns, locations, geography etc, you don't just say, oh its a deserts it suppose to be dull to cruise around, using that as an excuse to keep from making the game interactive, dynamic and intesting is a bad strategy and thats why so many people are pretty bored and done with the game already. :snoring:

West, we already know your opinion, stop acting as if it is fact and felt by everyone, because it isn't.

Boring is again, a very subjective matter. Many people like the lore, the *plausiblity* and such you despise so much. Yes, those people *do* exist, people who don't need loot grinding and numerous twitch combat fillers after every corner(Actually, come to think of it, there IS just enough stuff to shoot in the game. But I guess its lost to your hyperbole statements about the "empty wasteland" eh? )Just deal with it and stop acting like you speak for thr whole community.

You don't need to reply (as usual), but you reading this is enough for me. :celebration:

it is a fact, most of the people who bought new vegas are bored with it now, every poll i have seen on here, all the threads people have made stating how boring it is, so you can be in denial if you want, but the map world is boring and dull and thats just the truth, they tried to make the game as realistic as possible and they succeeded pretty well, its about as boring as a real desert is, obsdian didn't really use much artistic license in the development of the game. they went for the "believable" game world and it was a flop, it only had enough content to keep you interested for like a month and it doesn't have the replayability of a good game.

I was just checking in after not being here for a while and I see this subject at the top again. I just laughed.

It's so true. The game gets boring in the middle of the second play through when you realize everything is pretty much the same. Believable is not all it's cracked up to be.

Also, such a waste of perfectly good companions.

Ok, from now on I'm disregarding anything you post. Anyone who's enough of an assclown to say their opinion is fact doesn't deserve to be listened to.

Not that I'm going to miss anything... Going by your previous posts its going to yet another rambling paragraph about how New Vegas is too empty and how Bethesda would've done a better job.

No, it's not. It's not the truth. That's your opinion. Some people share your opinion, some people don't. The forums are not representative of the fanbase. We can say that most people agree with you, we can say that most people don't. Would we be correct either way? How the hell do we know? Unless you want to make a study about it, we will never know.





And no, pulling up game scores is not a valid argument. Just don't.

Too much sugar for you, man.
It's not a fact, because you can't possibly know that.

I am not bored with it and I have voted like in one poll and not even participated most of your "bored" threads, because I'm the opposite of you, a person who does not enjoy repeating himself. How many people are there like me? Has there been a poll or two about that so you can tell that I'm one of a kind in thinking this way, and your anolysis about the "im bored to tears, dood" polls and threads (most of which I haven't even seen here, btw) here is, in fact, a fact?

Please cut the horse [censored], you're only making a moron out of yourself.

Your personal opinion is now set in stone proven fact? Wow vanity much?

Seriously, I still have fun with New Vegas, I don't know what forum you're seeing, but alot of opinions I see are enjoying it or like it while giving constructive criticism. Instead of avoiding us who actually LIKE the game and present a plausible point to you, why dont you defend your point without going 'herp derp my opinion is fact' because that's not even a defense, you're basically just going 'LALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOU'.

I enjoy New Vegas, the rich dialogue, the fun gameplay, the albiet short, amazing soundtrack, and the beautiful scenery, as well as improved combat. It does have flaws, as now game of this size is ever perfect, but it's flaws do not detract from how great this game is. Aside from open world exploration, I'd say New Vegas puts Fallout 3 to shame.

New Vegas sold more than FO3, so that proves that people like realistic!

I'd just play as a caravan owner (lol brain can't form words). If you are using mods... well talk about experience enhancers...

This is how I play or start out most of my NV games:

-Start out with the Doc Mitchell thing but add a role playing twist to it, such as; Chose to answer the questions he asks based off of what you actually see or feel, hell nod a few times.

-Try to match your appearance as yourself, not necessary but it helps none the less. Don't make that good looking guy or that hot girl.

-Don't choose overpowering skills or traits. I.E. Energy Weapons or even guns(Unless you are experienced with guns in real life) lockpick, maybe speech even.

-SPECIAL: Unless you are a jock-jaw snapping- can bench 365 pounds- body builder(highly doubt if you are playing video games and have enough time to do this, haha JK) keep strength low like 5 or below, since 5 seems pretty balanced for most SPECIAL skills. Perception, tough one, keep low, you don;t want a "magical eye" compass do you(Don't say yes, if you do stop here)(Don't actually stop here though)? Endurance, I'd keep low, 4 or below, because it makes the game more challenging. Charisma, again depends on your personal appearance, hopefully you follow the above appearance note. I'd keep it at five because it is balanced, people won't have a high or low opinion about you. Intelligence, another tough one to explain. Look at your age, younger such as 13 and above should keep it low, since, well, your still in school, at least you should be. your knowledge isn't as "advanced" as some older people(I will not explain this in full since that will take forever). If you are older I'd say keep your intelligence medium to high. NEVER 10, unless you are really smart in real life, don't lie to yourself. No one is so smart that they can move things with their minds (Shut it if you say you can). Agility, depends on you again, flexible gymnast: Shoot for a high agility (NOT 10). If you are not so athletic(Don't mean to offend anyone) keep your agility to 5 or below. Luck, will be explained later.

-ALL YOUR SPECIAL STATS WILL DIFFER BASED ON YOU IN REAL LIFE(it's called role playing for a reason people) YOU CAN'T FOLLOW THIS GUIDE EXACTLY SINCE AGILITY, INTELLIGENCE, STRENGTH, ECT WILL DIFFER. Make sense?

-hardcoe mod is always nice but I wouldn't worry about using it since it really isn't balanced imo.

-Set difficulty to hard or very hard, or if you have a realism mod, use it, like Arwens for example.

-Find a nice brahmin companion mod. After this I suggest hording items, anything you find really(Think about if the world did "end", what items would you find useful.

-A camp fire mod would be nice, but only make one if you have the "appropriate tools to actually do it" i.e. sticks or a throwing spear, you know what I mean.

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-Travel the roads, or if you are daring go off road to explore.

-Don't use powerful weapons. Play as a wastelander, poor- well off as I see it. Trade when ever possible, especially if you meet an npc on the road.

-NO FAST TRAVEL. This is an immersion breaking thing in my opinion. Wait is ok every once in a while but I would stay away from it as much as possible. Why? Immersion breaking and who would wait for an hour or up, standing in the same place?

-Try to stay at abandoned buildings or hotels every night.

-Make night dangerous... in your mind and game, really good role playing especially near Death Claw territory.

-IF you do decide to buy a powerful weapon, buy it from Gun Runners. Why? Most expensive, hell unless you find it in the wastes, hopefully not so early, why would some one sell you one for like 500 caps? Doesn't make sense, buy it from Gun Runners. They are trusting. good condition, and are priced fairly well.

-Don't be a gamble master. No one is 'invincible" when it comes to gambling, and it is called luck for a reason, so try making your luck skill 5 or below!

-Try focusing your wealth on the trade not the game.

-Along with wealth, feel free to buy necessities that you can't find out in the wastes too much, i.e. clothes, food, pure water, ect.

-Don't be afraid to spend, spend, spend! It's all about the RP here. You can't expect to survive with no food, ammo(Providing you even use a gun) and the same clothes for ever right?

-Stay away from joining major factions. Didn't say you can't trade with them, just don't try to get involved(Will explain this in full later down the road) with them. Reason being, they ask you to do "heroic" tasks. It is highly unlikely that a simple, poor, trader will rise to lead an army to victory and control the wastes with an iron fist...(Shut it).

-Along with factions, try to play the neutral guy(or gal) here. You want as much trading and business as this dead world can give. Granted you can help citizens and wastelanders if you wish but if it is dangerous in real life, don't do it in the game. i.e. Faction officer: "Save my men from the legion!" You: "Hehe ok..." Don't do stuff like that. Companion quests are always good and can give you the short break you need from the simple life.

-Companions: Great to have. I mean, who doesn't want a friend out there, right? Of course I'm right. Since they really can't hurt your status with major factions, it is all good.

-FOR EXTREME PLAYERS ONLY: If you die, its over, gone, buried, "Knock knock... who's there? Death..." This is role playing to the max. In real life, you don't get second chances: BOOM! Head flies off. You won't have the chance to say: "Hehe, I'll just reload a save." Why should you do it in a game that you are role playing in?

-EXTREME (and non-extreme) CONTINUED: Along with second chances... once you pass/ or fail a speech check, get locked out of a terminal, break a lock, its over. Done, zero, no reloading to try again. This is also applied to non-extreme players!!!

-Don't use a "perk every level" mod. Makes the game more challenging.

-When it comes to leveling, don't blast all you points into your favorite skill(You energy weapon crazies you!). Only put them into the skills you have used so far. If you used repair alot, put some into repair and so on.

-Refrain from heavy combat, especially you extreme players. It makes no sense for you to charge into a NCR-Legion battle. One: it breaks the no joining factions statement, and two would you do that in real life? <--- Ask this alot of times when making decisions in game.

All I can think of, I'll add more if I come up with something else.

Enjoy! Hope you have as much fun as I did/still do.

OH! PM me if you want a list of mods to enhance your playing with this (PC only).

the bored threads aren't mine, get a clue, i just post on em, and it is true, every poll on this has almost 60% of the people finding the game uniteresting and boring after the first playthru or two, and don't say they are my threads, they're not.

@westie

Funny.

First when you came, you were practically incapable of forming your own opinion without the usual "but gamespot rated it higher".
And now, you have become some sort of an self-proclaimed community manager who claims generalizing commentary such as "the whole community is bored"... and call it a fact with no desire to back it up. Don't tell me that such eloquent person like you is not able to form a proper counter-argument! Oh woe! Tunnel vision much!
What is kinda sad is that I *thought* you had some good points in the past(like the map feeling a bit static with no random encounters and the randomess factor overall), but you've completely blew it with the attitude afterwards.

Saying that the forums represent the majority of the player fanbase.... seriously, you must be intelligent enough to grasp the idiocy of this idea?

But no matter, I think I am no longer disgusted. I am impressed. I aplaud your effort, it truly took me quite a while to finally realize that. All that tunnel vision behaviour, broken gramphone attitude and stuff.....

This is Trolling 101 people. :goodjob:

i agree, it is a waste of good companions, i liked veronica, but these few people who hate bethesda and defend NV so much, they're in denial, its a boring gameworld environment for the most part, there's a few bright spots but most of the map is just empty and the environment svcks, no good places do to battle, fighting ncr or ceasers legion around tents is lame,with no good cover or structures, obsidian just took the easy approach, oh lets make the game in a desert, put up some one room shacks, lets just make the ceasers legion bases and outposts all tents, its the most uniteresting environment in any game i have ever played, anyone trying to say its full of interesting locations and action and adventure to me is pretty funny.

Denial?!?!?!?

I think you are getting Call of Duty and Fallout mixed up. You like explosions, we like complex storylines.

How did they take the easy way? They FILLED the map with quests and characters and lore. Every single major place has many quests and a fill backstory.

BTW, I love the Elder Scrolls series, but Fallout is NOT the Elder Scrolls.

You use the word few, you claim we hate Bethesda, and you act like it's absurd for us to like a game that you didn't.

First off, few, you cannot know that. That is all.

Second, I cannot claim that this statement is representative of people who like New Vegas, because I can't. I do not have any substantial evidence. But I can say that of the forumites that are often engaged in arguments with you, I have never seen any of them state they hate Bethesda.

Finally, you're opinion is not above ours. It is just that, your opinion. For you to have that opinion about New Vegas is perfectly acceptable, but to think that anybody who does not agree with it is "in denial" is nonsensical.

Las Vegas is in a desert. Don't think that Bethesda didn't have a say in the location. They approached Obsidian, and they threw around ideas. You cannot blame Obsidian for the setting, and, hell, you can't blame them because it doesn't fit your taste regardless of whether Bethesda had a say.



Exactly.

I don't see a lot that claim hatred ~though I have seen it in the past. What is liked about Fallout New Vegas is... That its a lot closer to how the Fallout series is supposed to be. (Not close enough at all IMO, but closer); It is Fallout 3 that was the deviation, and those that prefer Fallout 3 do seem to often prefer what was wrong with it (from a series perspective).

Based on its own merit I thought it was great; its just a poor Fallout game in my opinion.
*Not counting the art design ~that was spot on except for a few established antiques that did not appear as they did in the previous games.