ahaha how about UNDEAD John Marston

How is FO3 grey? BOS are angels, Enclave want to kill everyone. CL only crucifies criminals

Its more believable than FO3, and it sold more than FO3, so it did live up to the hype

Lol obviously u didn't play they arn't evil there brutal but in all honesty there way in the long run is correct and bos r no more angels than the legion are satan.

Its too soon man...To soon.

i never once found a thread on FO3 being boring, on the other hand there's been tons of threads on how static, predictable and boring the map world is in new vegas, other than the city of the new vegas itself and the surrounding area, the rest of the map is mostly tents and shacks with nothing random ever happening, and hardly anything on the map at all, as more people who bought it play thru it 2 or 3 times, they are realizing how each playthru is exactly the same and how little there is to do, its gonna be the same gecko running across the road near primm, the same 3 powdergangers near goodsprings and the same 2 barkscorpions at hidden valley and nipton. you're never gonna bump into a faction patrolling other than the ncr near camp searchlight.

I dont think anything you just said is true. Except for maybe the Gecko part, other than that, i http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NwsQk7pPjI.

It didnt have the option to join the enclave, when col autum(sp?) wanted the same thing the brotherhood wanted, to power up the P.P. and save the citizens.Why couldnt I join him, why did dad kill him self even though he didnt know the enclave were bad cause hed never seen the enclave befor,why did it scorn me for not killing myself,why didnt the fev kill any one, why didnt the enclave just blow up the BoS in the first place, why... I could keep going on.I agree with you on most of your opinions about Fo3, but I simply think NV had a better MQ, even if there was nothing much els to do other than a few 5 min side quest.

Back on topic, Im playing an enclave rem. and its prity fun.Just make an old guy with high en weapons, repiar.then get the enclave PA.

It's called plotholes. But then again, some people prefer mindless action over a thoughtful plot and have different priorities.

I think we can agree on these things, if not, I won't and can't argue with you any more.

1. FNV was static in the map, but the Main Quest was totally not linear with several endings. Each ending showed the same events, but with a different flavor.

2. FO3 had a non static map, but the Main Quest was totally linear with almost no choice.

3. FNV did sell more than FO3.

obsidian can always learn from their mistakes, there's so many topics on how boring the game is, its kinda sad, they should of spent less time trying to make a "believable" or "plausible" world and spent that time actually making an interesting and fun game world, all it did was cause a major snoozefest, thats too bad, all those cool weapons with nothing to shoot, making a sneak skill and stealth perks with no place to sneak around or be stealthy, making a huge world but not putting anything interesting in it, no secret bases, dungeons, large buildings to fight in and explore, lets face it the strip is pretty boring to hang around, they should of built some battlezones all over the map, maybe put in lots of ghost towns with factions in control of em, put lots of random events in the game, actually make the factions patrol around their area of the map, instead of having 3 powder gangers walking in a circle. they should of had some people with better imaginations developing the game.

yeah but fallout 3 made it Famous! again ...

So what? mw2 is only so big because call of duty 1 sold good?

Can I butt in?

Points 1 & 2 up there I mostly agree with.
Point 3 may be true, but I'll suggest that this is because consumers thought they were getting more of the same; the pre-publicity (that the general gaming public would see; we obsessives dug deeper and knew better) suggested that the game was similar to F3 in scope and play style. It was due to F3's popularity that NV sold so well, initially at least. Also, do your sales figures include the GOTY or just the vanilla F3?

Running past the same raiders fighting the Super Mutants over the river near the Super Duper Mart, watching the same two Enclave soldiers spawn near Wheaton Armoury and kill the raiders (well a few anyway, this is F3 where the Enclave are crap), fighting the same raiders right next to the Citadel which they never though to remove, fighting those super mutants right outside Rivet City which should make it impossible for anyone to reach the city and indeed most of the caravans get killed there in my experience.

I love how this thread is about nv yet theres been more talk of fo3 because people turn to it if the perfect fallout new jesus has a flaw they can't defend.

Its funny, but I would use that same argument for FO1 to FO2 and FO2 to FO3. (because its certainly true).
Yet... It was probably due to Oblivion's popularity that FO3 sold so well initially; before word of mouth.

no fallout 3 is what made it famous fallout 1 and 2 were long forgotten by then to big a gap in between games to associate the rise in popularity

Actually, majority of the 'flaws' were counter-argumented enough. All I see from the other side is a very subjective word "boring" being repeated like a broken gramophone. :wink_smile:

Well, New Vegas is like Doom3, same enemies in same places everytime. It gets pretty predictable. Fallout 3 with level scaled enemies with level scaled equipment provided some variation, especially with mods that add new enemies and/or equipment to the leveled lists.

New Vegas mods that add more spwans however, there's just 6 Viper Tire Iron slingers instead of 3 :shrug:

Are there already any decent MMM-like spawn mods? All I have seen so far are mods that add gazillion of monsters into different spawn points and lag your computer badly. :huh:

Level scaling is hardly a good thing, somehow my getting stronger makes my enemies stronger? Fallout 3 was just as predictable, but it just threw canon fodder or bullet sponges at you non-stop.

Increased Wasteland Spawns is the one i've been using. With medium spawns enemy numbers don't seem excessive.



It makes no sense realism-wise sure, but it makes the game more interesting. In Fallout 3 you could more or less tell what kinds of enemies you encounter where but the exact number and equipment were random. You had to keep alert instead of just setting the character on automove and leave the game alone for several minutes. Which i've done in NV many times.

One of my unpoplular opinions is that level scaling is a good thing when applied properly. Oblivion was bad, Fallout 3 was pretty good, Skyrim's system is based on Fallout 3, and Fallout 4 system will propably be further refined from Skyrim.

I agree with this. For instance, one of the downsides of having everything at a fixed level is that if you don't visit an area at the "correct" level then it can quickly become not worth visiting at all. If I miss a bunch of low-level caves on my first loop around the highway then by the time I return at a higher level the loot contained within isn't really very valuable and the enemies guarding it aren't challenging.

(They do need to work out how to negate the 'Giant Radscorpions spawning right outside Megaton' problem though.)

I have an opposing position, i hated that somehow, my player being level 6 made super mutants weak as humans, and being level 25 made humans strong as super mutants.