The D.C. Journal of Internal Medicine can also be found in New Vegas. I just think it's the developers using the same assets between the games. Like that photograph of James in Vault 21.

This is a silly question. It's like asking "how does black majic Turkish Heroine end up in New Jersey?"

or

"How does 90% of the world's Heroine come from Afghanistan?"

A war ravaged post-apocalyptic wasteland being basically the same thing as the contemporary world of course.

Afghanistan being a war-ravaged third world country of course.

Yup. A war ravaged third world country with access to globe spanning mass transit. Y'know the sort of stuff that doesn't exist in a post-apocalyptic world.

Right, apparently people in the post apocalypse don't have feet. Seriously, grow up and just admit it's logical. Just because you want some excuse to denounce things of old in Fallout 3, means its ridiculous. I know this is shocking, but people can walk, and they can carry things too. Who's to say some roving trader didnt bring a load of it, or a batch of home made jet with him to the region? Before anyone grumps again, it was already implied in New Reno that people were making their own lesser versions of Jet. Plus, for all we know, the Ghoul in the metro near Arefu might have come from New Reno ways and brought his own batch. Anythings possible. Quit acting like children and try having an unbiased opinion :shakehead:

I wish Betheda did not one single thing from the old games. Nothing not a trace. All new....... Then it would be. "Hey, this isn t fallout wheres bos and plasma and laser weapons?"

In all those years humans can walk around. Some can figure out what the [censored] was in a lab if they really wanted to and make it themselves. From there sellers and even junkies migrate all over both Americas teach other people how to make it.

You think those containers were never opened? I never saw a seal on them that said 2077. Role play that someone before you used them for storage. It is an rpg after all......

Because it's not logical. Yes people can move from place to place. But for an advanced drug to make it's way from one completely separate location to another despite the hundreds of miles of lawless, blasted wasteland in between, somehow get reverse engineered even though the conditions that made it were distinctly local (experimental protein additives)and it took a genius to come up with the process in the first place and then appear everywhere within 40 years of it's invention is pretty unlikely.

I don't think you should be fallout lore police, cause you basically just shot yourself in the foot.

They should've, in that case, left the name out too -- people wouldn't say "this isn't Fallout" because wouldn't have been in any way or form. Everybody would've been happy.

After further review of the subject ( wiki ) says the Stables Reaseach team tried improving upon jet. There was a whole facility devoted to making a highly addictive substance and testing it.

If the stables reasearch team was trying to improve upon jet, they must have know how it was made. So it would seem that not only 1 man new how to make it. People love to make easy money. It would be illogical to think a reasearcher would not go make his own jet. Time passes the world did not freeze after fo2. Once someone knows how to make its all over. Meat packing plants are not only on the west coast believe it or not. Most companies find it more profitable to be spread out. Less shipping costs.

The [censored] to make it would be all over the country, once the secret got out every half assed chemist in the wastes were trying to make it.

Walk to the next town show your junkie buddy how to make it and so on a so forth. Just like crystal meth. A [censored] ton of people know how to make that now.

So true...... But it did not happen that way.

This. Its not even a big deal in the first place.

Please explain.

Also I'm not the Fallout lore police nor do I think Jet in D.C. is either lore breaking or particularly egregious just in order to get those strawmen out of the way. Do I really have to put IMO after everything I say to make it plain I'm stating my opinion?

Lol dude what are you talking about. You act like the drug has to stay in the region. Well heres the truth it doesn't have to!

Time to bring in some Mystery Science theater logic in here.

its just a game. Quit worrying about how a drug or a book made it from one place to another, theres 1000's of possible explanations.

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Myron died not the recipe, if you read his ending carefully it states "his discovery of jet" was forgotten. Not "his discovery jet" was forgotten.
Jet survives regardless of Myron and thats canon using only fallout 2 as a source.
The Mordino Family grew greatly in power as Jet's influence spread across Northern California. Within a year, they had seized control of New Reno and expanded their empire, absorbing the Den and other surrounding areas. There was little violence in the conquest, as Jet had weakened all resistance to Mordino rule.
This is a possible ending for the Mordino family even if Myron is dead, so even with Fallout 2 as the only source, by cannon his discovery lives on even when Myron is forgotten.


Who ways Jet is an advanced drug? its derived from the turds of two headed cows given a special diet. Your entire statement is a contradiction because knowledge travels by word of mouth easier then people. The protein extract was said to be cheap which means its easy to reproduce.

But here's a real reason
Jet is a methamphetamine but because they can't actually call it methamphetamine in-game they call it jet. Med-X was originally to be called Morphine. But as it rased issues in a couple countries it was changed to med-x.

Well it took a scientific genius a lot of time, resources and hundreds of dead test subjects to create and refine. I'd call that advanced. The protein extract was a pre-war tech. There's no indication that even Myron knew how to replicate it which is why Jet should be a localized phenomenon. Unless it makes sense for there to have been vast herds of cattle around Washington D.C. who also received protein extracts.

Also some knowledge travels by word of mouth quite easily. Scientific knowledge like how to replicate a certain type of drug that the Mordinos had a vested interest in keeping top-secret? That's probably not going to travel by word of mouth so easily.

There's no indication that Myron didn't know how to replicate it either, if he was a genius as you say he could have figured it out. Especially as it be requried for long term production. What about the scientific effort that went into inventing Methamphetamine? Or some other real world narcotic that was first invented in a labatory by a someone with a PHD.

Knowledge of a highly profitable narcotic would travel very quickly because its profitable. The canon ending for New Reno has the Mordinos lose there hold on New Reno and be absorbed by the other familes. Which means the knowledge of Jet would have been scattered to the four winds.

Myron was the creator of Jet. He was working for a mob family (Mordinos) in Reno. He talks in great detail about how he created it. I can't post the link to that speech because it is full of swearing. Just youtube it. He is very annoying. If he ever told anyone else how to make it the family would not need him anymore.

He talks about how before Myron people were trying to grow crops to make drugs. Drug we would know. It took Myron a very long time to figure it out and get it right so it wouldn't kill people. I doubt others could figure it out. If they did they would keep it to themselves.

Also I still believe that the Chosen One did create a cure for jet. Jet did not seem to be a very bad problem as it was in Fallout 2 so having a cure out there could be the reason. With a cure out there Jet would not be the money maker it once was, so no reason to put the effort into making it.

Also there needs to be the right ingredients and only some meat companies had it, they were testing it. Was not a commo thing. So the odds of having them in DC and the odds of having someone figure it out are so low.

Styles I already proven using Fallout 2 as the ONLY source that jet survives Myron's death, so would you like to provide some evidence from fallout 2 that Jet doesn't survive Myron's death? The Mordino's wouldn't allow him to have that kind of leverage over there drug empire. He's a puny little wimp it wouldn't take much to beat the information out of him and they certainly would. They'd keep Myron around because he's a valuable employee so what if he shared the recipe, he'd still be the man most qualified to supervise production.

If Myron was truly necessary for Jet production then he wouldn't have been forgotten. He'd be remembered because of how hard jet is to produce. (and as I already proved using Fallout 2 as the only source, jet can survive his death).


There was a whole team working on Jet production, the stable team even tried to develop a more powerful version called Jet Beta. So he obviously shared knowledge of how to make it. They wouldn't keep it to themselves either as they'd need help in manufacturing and distributing the drugs, plus security. If you want to expand your business you'd need to help in making it so sharing would be required. How hard jet was to develop is irrelevant. Its how hard is jet to make once you know how.

The protein extract was described as cheap, which means it easy to make(otherwise it wouldn't have been cheap). Long term production of Jet would require they know how to make the extract to keep feeding it to brahmin.


Just because there's a cure for the addiction doesn't mean people wouldn't keep taking the drug because they enjoy the effects. A cure simply means you can't put a strangle hold on a population because of it. As long as people enjooy the effects of Jet they'll still be people taking it.

And as I said before, they can't actually use real world drug names in certain countires so they use Med-X and Jet instead of Methamphetamine and Morphine.

Jet does survive Myron's death but the people working on it were working for Myron. I doubt he would have given them the full story. They would still be under the control of a powerful mob family. So the odds of someone knowing the full story and getting a way from the family are small and then for that person to make it to DC. Plus the Mordino family would do anything to keep that person there, like giving them, money women and drugs.

After Myron dies they would still be able to make it. We see it in New Vegas. The effects are different then they are in Fallout 2. I like to think that those that took Myron's place were not able to make it the right way so it isn't as effective. I know it can also be put down to game mechanics. The main point is the chance of DC having the right pre-war protien to make jet is next to nothing.

Only way I can see Jet making it to DC is because of some level of trade. It would be the same reason as to how the BoS in lost hill learned about the Super Mutants in DC.

People being addicted to it, because it is highly addicive is what makes it profitable. It is what hooked the workers of Redding. With a cure out there the profitability and power that comes from producing jet is gone. Which would means those that know how to make it would move on to other things. So people still making it for it to show up in New Vegas could be making it wrong. Another reason why Jet has little effect in New Vegas.

Still pretty sure Jet was forgotten about after Myron's death, the stables still had lots of other drugs to sell so its not like it was a huge loss.

or Jet now is a new formula like Syles said, I can deal with that, but it still does not explain why its in unexplored prewar buildings.

Probably an oversight. Bethesda just put jet in the same container lists as pre-war drugs.

Or they just didn't care.