I personally hold these two characters as the most interesting and fun to talk to characters in there respective game's and they remind me of each other well both aesthetically there kind of um pc's (well not technically )but they also have similar views about trying to progress the human race although you could argue John is on the harsh side but anyway who do you prefer out of these strange cats.Don't shoot me down that is all.

JHE ain't interesting, he is basically just "kill all the mutants!!!" zealot bot. Personally, I think he's more like Caesar, " burn the NCR!!!".

I dunno, Caesar is somewhat interesting imo.

Well yes and no (wooohooo mr vague) he is a little murder murder murder the irradiated scum but it's the only way dc could truly get back to the good ol days he aint the devil worshiper of Cesar probably in between Cesar and Mr house in evilness imo.

JHE's problem is that he's a robot, and can't really feel the guilt of killing lots of people to purify the lands. But then again, a lot of people are dying from mutants anyway.

Exactly the guilt glasses just cloud you're vision of seeing the bigger picture which would save alot more people and increase the living standard of the capital wasteland peeps.

Eden is nothing but a lonley machine who makes up for his inability to experience the emotions he now understands by becoming ingorged in the mythos of the pre-war era and projecting his voice through the air-waves, even though it can only harm the Enclave by exposing them and makes no sense given his views on mutant, on some kind of ego trip. He has endangered the Enclave multipule times, both indirectly and directly as a result of his actions, and cares more about purifying the Capitol of the country he has become so in enamored in than he does about those whom he is supposed to be protecting, the Enclave.

And by getting rid of all mutations he is protecting the enclave it would probably be only the enclave left and unopened vaults then he could rebuild america once again it would strengthen them and no one could put up any resistance actually a decent plan tbh.And whats the enclave suppose to do sit there and have a tea party.

Malcolm McDowell does a fine job as Eden, but overall - and despite him being the best characterization in Fallout 3, imo - I felt his writing was left somewhat "limbless". So Mr. House for me, he has much more character in him.

I agree but he is just AI so for him to have a personality is quite mind blowing and he is suppose to be all the presidents of America combined so to speak i though he was interesting to chat with but I'm not sure who i prefer out of the 2 there quite the creepy bunch.Lol mr house was left somewhat limbless .

Clearly you are taking this at face value, you don't think that something that obvious was already apparent? What I mean is that his radio broadcasts to the people were pointless and did nothing other than betray the Enclave's presence in the region, Eden intended to kill them all and the Enclave did not in anyway use anyone whom actually believed the lies so what was the point? To comfort Eden, nothing more.

He backed down and lied to Autumn, telling him that he wouldn't administer the virus into the water in the purifierer, even though he intended to administer the virus to it anyway; so he resulted in the full-scale deployment of Enclave forces and exposed them, which would later end in their destruction, just because he didn't tell Autumn that he going to administer the virus into the purifier. Now if Andronicus was here he would, more than likely, defend Eden's deception by saying that if Eden hadn't backed down then Autumn would have just rebelled against him then and there; to which I respond that only Eden's poor leadership could have been the result of such animosity, enough to turn the whole Enclave against him and then cause him to clutch at the final straws which was enlisting the Lone Wanderers help.

The plan wasn't his, but rather 100 years old plan of many administrations ago, he reigned unopposed like a dictator (pressumably exploiting some law) for three decades and destroyed any trust that the citizens had in him which resulted in him gunning his own people down in the vauge hope that the Lone Wanderer was in-fact swayed by his arguement and would do his bidding; so in short, he did nothing, the virus wasn't his, the plan wasn't his, he risked the Enclave, he destroyed the very traditions of what could be the only pre-war government still remaining and in the end gunned his own men down over his own selfish desire to see the D.C. area purified, even if it meant that afterwards all of the Enclave were dead and it was all for nothing.

Eden and Autumn are a pair of bumbling, useless jackasses that deserve to be shutdown and hanged respectively.

So The Enclave Vs. The Securitron Army?
Well Enclave have Pulse Grenades soooo..... :whistling:

Mr.House is a far more interesting pvssyr if i may say.

So it would make sense for the enclave to risk there existence traveling across America to do nothing and just sit there it was a last gap plan to try restore this great country as he constantly states and as he said"me and colonel Autum don't see eye to eye figuratively speaking"as colonel Autum thinks his methods are to harsh so of course eden was going to turn his back the enclave would probably die out if he didn't try this terrible plan as you make out.

Let the Enclave debate begin :rolleyes:

Now now lets not be so hasty. Eden's broadcasts didn't alert anybody, the Brotherhood was shocked when the Enclave burst in on the purifier, nobody expected them and their position was not compromised.




However, you can hardly blame the actions of Autumn on Eden's leadership abilities. Its clear that Autumn was a hard-line, my way or the highway kind of guy, which is why he rebelled. Eden frankly, saw Autumn's idea of bringing the wastelanders under Enclave protection as being a disastrous plan (and come on was he wrong in that?). Autumn however, refused to compromise and believed in his ludicrous idea so much that he rebelled against Eden, what could Eden have done to stop him? Had Autumn won, it would have effectively meant the end of the Enclave.



I wouldn't say it was all for nothing, Eden's plan is the only way the Enclave wins in Fallout 3, and the end slides suggest that they win quite handily ("the longer the purifer runs, the cleaner the world becomes"). Eden was going directly off of President Richarson's plans (and you wouldn't argue that Richardson was wrong would you?) I've argued why Eden wanted to use the Lone Wanderer in his plans and I think they were fairly good explanations.

I would also argue against using the word "exploitation" when referring to the use of Presidential emergency powers as that's a dangerous road to take, it neither destroyed pre-war traditions, nor did it compromise the Enclave's legitimacy.



I can agree on Autumn.

I strongly and fervently disgree with your view on Eden. I'm proud to call him an Enclave President.

Also on topic: John Henry Eden all the way. But they're both good, and one of the reasons I like House is because he reminds me of Eden.

No, they could have simply sent out a single man to administer the virus into the water, after the BoS or James had reconstructed it; what you said doesn't excuse that for 30 years they sat in Raven Rock and for 30 years he was such a poor leader that as soon as Autumn gave the call to arms everyone obeyed. My point is that if he hadn't been so self-consumed about being in charge, maybe Autumn wouldn't have disagreed with him or maybe everyone else wouldn't be so willing to disobey him, which means that Autumn couldn't have rebelled because he would be on his own, which would therefore mean that Eden wouldn't have to back down to Autumn to avoid the same rebellion, which means he could have just sent out on man to administer the virus into the water and the same results would be acheived.

I have to agree pretty much with everything you said and between mr house and john henry eden i'd personally say it's a draw there both very interesting .Lol imagine a fight between the two.

House has much more of an attitude than Eden, seeing that he is actually a human unlike Eden, my vote is for Mr. House, much more of an interesting gent.

But as far as im aware the lone wander was the one that helped get the purifier to working condition it was broken all those 30 years so eden puts a virus in some broken purifier rofl.No one believed it would work thats why james decided to ditch it and to raise up the lone wanderer in this fine world.

They sat in Raven Rock for 30 years both modifiying the virus, and rebuilding their strength. They were trying to figure out a way to continue Richardson's plans, they found it when they realized what the purifier (which hadn't been a major project until this point) was capable of.

Not everyone was willing to disobey him, it seems Autumn usurped only a minority of the Enclave's forces (where were all the troops we see in AFB located during the Raven Rock Rebellion incident? Safe and snug back with President Eden.)

Exactly, they don't capture the Lone Wanderer, let him fix the purifier and when it is working just send a single man out in the dead of night and administer the virus into the water. No need to alert everyone to the Enclave's presence, no need to endanger the lives of all of the troops and the water is still posioned.

That would have worked, had there not been a certain Colonel who wanted to use the purifier for his own ridiculous goals. No doubt Autumn kept a sharp eye on the purifier.

Also its more than likely that the GECK had something to do with the kiling range/power of the purifier and Modifiied FEV, without it, simply placing the virus into the water woudn't have had the same effect.

Mr. House, although I don't approve of him becoming dictator of the Mojave, is definitely more sensible than Eden. Eden risked every soldier in Raven Rock in the hopes that the man he'd kidnapped, the very man whose father he'd killed, would help him kill everyone in DC. The Enclave doesn't have the numbers to support a "pure" empire. It would have been far more sensible to take the purifier from the BoS, and use it to gain support among the people as the real protectors of the Capital Wasteland. They could have integrated the BoS into their ranks, and destroyed any resistance with their superior technology. Instead, crazy Eden compromised their only hope of ever returning to their former glory.

Well I would imagine that the people who were at Adams Airforce Base were indeed at Adams Airforce Base; Whitley's logs on ED-E say he was at AAFB conducting research onto Duraframe Eyebots but then all of his funding was given to Hellfire Armour, this would suggest that it was occupied pre-Autumn's Coup. In any event, how could the people at RAVEN ROCK, the three decade capital, only be a minority; even if the LW doesn't kill Eden, we see corridors being sealed off to explosion, Eden killing his own men so that an outsider can escape; he won't just have been killing the men in the LW's way (something which you are defending by the way) he'll have been killing those coming up the stairwells and down the corridors to intercept wit,h reinforcements, which we do indeed see getting killed.