I see in post one reference to Ghogiel and not sure what armors by him(?) that you are including (I think mostly the morrowind type stuff). Anyway I just remembered this mod by Phitt (the modding mochine): http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=19228 which seems more to include classic plate armor. Says you need permission - the author shouldn't be too hard to find as I see him most days on here.

Why include? Because like artifacts the items are only available via a store. So I say drop the store and populate the items.

I guess Ghogiel also made some http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=17878 which you did include (now that I look).

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and I have another shop mod that could use translation into lists: http://oblivion.brashendeavors.net/bows/ by Brash. Again a shop in the form of wood elves hanging around near Weye (and often conflicting with Weye mods). Also the author of http://oblivion.brashendeavors.net/mods/.

Psymon, how do you find those treasures?
I always liked the Wood Bows and Leather Armors mod, but I did not include it in my game because it was an early beta (at least they say so), but if I can find them in leveled lists the things are different.
This one is growing up better than the old Armamentarium in my opinion

Well I love looking up odd little mods and trying stuff out but I hate small mods that choke my load order with one or two things and that is it. Contradictory I know.

Like slof does great small mods but I'd never use them because I want mods that cover a lot of territory. Mod greed I guess.

I actually wanted to do what he is doing but I thought it best to implement shops that came with updates and call it like Tamriel Importers or something - each update a new supply. Mostly though because leveled list logic makes my head hurt. He is doing a great job and the overhaul as it is now is very cool. Leveled lists are best. Shops not so much - my characters never buy anything except open hard lock scrolls and that is it.

So I've been scouting out item and creature mods for him - least I can do considering.

Phitt http://www.gamesas.com/index.php?/topic/1144365-relz-sneak-penalties/page__view__findpost__p__16727204 (though your probably already covered that territory John).

Alas, one of the seven deadly sins of Tamriel. I'm definitely going to hell for this one.

And, has Trollf's stuff been considered? You know, like his Junkyard collection of weapons? Or Divine Shields? Or Lich Gear?

Another missing resource. Refscope log:

----[ 2010-11-25 20:20:40]
Reference FF05559F
(Non-Persistent)
Defined in player savegame

Weapon 03004F50
Name: Glass Halberd
Defined in John's Leveled List Overhaul.esm

Missing resources:
Weapons\Stangenwaffen\glasbardike.dds

ive asked myself how he does many times! maybe i should ask him too? :rofl:



i agree, i hate cluttering items i9n shops, leveled lists are much more interesting. and check your message box on phitt



sure has, i have everything mentioned minus the lich gear, care to link me?



im PM'ing you on this, this is quite odd

John, if you're interested, Brash has given permission for you to use anything you want from 'Wood Bows and Leather Armor' and 'Alternate Light Armors.'

Thanks to Psymon for the heads-up. :thumbsup:

No no thank you.

All I did was remember who to contact.

Much appreciation.

John123-

What about Da Mage's http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=18439 as rare items - maybe even enchanted? Da Mage is often here on these forums too.

Sure thing!
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16121

I got your pm and responded. You are right, it is odd.

Maybe you can also consider some material from http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=29559... Of course ignore the armors for body mods. There are a pair of bows and swords simply awesome...

Thank you pseron! tell bash i said thx as well



i might need help with enchantments, im terrible at making those! the only ones i know how to make are God ones :rofl:



Thank you! that'll be some sweet necromancer armor, might make it lootable off liches as well


ill take a look thx

Oh sorry but one last thing, this is the last day im gonna take requests, my add-on folder is up to 657 mb's as is! artifacts contains more weapons in the one archive than my mod does currently :rofl:

Well then maybe consider shelving Artifacts ... I know I know I recommended it, but it is already sort of complete as it is just that if you don't want the shop you have to use Armamentarium to get them in leveled lists. Perhaps later a new esp can be made to divorce Artifacts from Armamentarium that like the current one is mergable into bash (or piggy backs your mod).

What I like about the focus of you mod is gathering together all those unique often one-off weapons together. But your mod please do what you think is best - I can certainly understand feeling overwhelmed by it all.

As for enchantments the living metal blades change color and hue (like water) depending on their environment - perhaps vampire type weapons with absorbs and drains.

But last day ... need to dig back through my catalog for anything I might have missed.

artifacts more than anythign appears to be armor and weapon recolors with a some custom models. ill take a better peak later when i get a chance and pick out all the good ones.

Well, maibe you could drop the meteoric iron weaponry.... It's already in OOO after all...

EDIT: look into http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=35762

Id prefer some uniqueness then just recolors... i will be using alot of stuff from artifacts dont worry! im not gonna take only like 2 things
and also OOO doesnt make it easy to get them, IIRC theyre not in the leveled lists

As I understand it OOO adds extra oomph to the Ayleid Weapons and yeah most seem hand placed. They are strong in an OOO game but I'm not at all sure if the original mod had the Magicka feed that the OOO varieties have or the strength that they have.

John-

Are you collecting body mod meshes when you find them? I imagine after a while people are going to start asking for Roberts and HGEC conversions of armor.

I'm getting a list together of everything I know of but haven't recommended yet.

That's why I say to leave them away at least from the OOO plugin. They are supposed to be out of leved lists, powerful and forgotten, with certain properties like recharging over time. They would be too powerful if not found in the ruins, deserved by the player.
Or at least you could make them absurdly rare to find on enemies.

im surprised there hasnt been any requests for those yet! i really am! if you can get me them to have on hand tht would be great! and im scared to see your list, id imagine its probably quite huge :rofl:


well dont that work out! i add the items to the lists via the plugins, IE all OOO items are placed in OOO lists via the OOO plugin. So that will save me some time.

I would indeed love for HGEC and Roberts versions where possible
Excellent work on this anyway, haven't seen any issues yet (though I've only played with it for a short while thus far)

Can't wait for more stuff. Love your mod.

if ya see any let me know



glad you enjoy



to the creatures mod, i just made a completely new creature that noone will ever expect to see! made with vanilla resources, it will be the most unexpected thign ever to see come flying(not literally) at you!

No fear needed for my little list - I just had to go back through all the mods I downloaded and merged last year (sloppy merge experiments of which I only use one now). Then to find the websites and whether they can be used. So a guide of sorts:
(MR) means modders resource and if possible give notice and credits.
(PR) need to get permission.
(?) don't know but I couldn't pass up not mentioning.

To the list ... it is not that long and after reviewing post one shortened some:

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=16365 (MR)
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=14179 & http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=20706 (?)
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=6360 (?)
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=18846 (? - MR)
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=33655 (PR)

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=9376 (RP) with http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=31912 These swords are gnarly and might be best as rare items.

MadMage's collection of Blackguard like weapons - http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=12181 (MR)
nateneurotic's http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=26478 (MR)
There is of course Scrugg's http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=9655 (? - He is usually pretty open for requests on the other hand this is the mod started script extender and so does require it)

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=6836 (?) & http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=5929 (?) I like these.
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=18839 (MR)
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=25885 and other - Talon of the Wood (MR)
Yoou probably already know http://www.tesnexus.com/modules/members/index.php?id=341209 stuff

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=19105 & other http://www.tesnexus.com/modules/members/index.php?id=140482 most of which are usable

Insanity Sorrow http://www.invision.tesalliance.org/forums/index.php?/topic/1948-relz-royal-shields/ (MR) & http://www.invision.tesalliance.org/forums/index.php?/topic/1951-relz-royal-glass/ (MR)

There also Waalx Real Swords but you already know about those (seen you over there) and all but I think one set is in FCOM. I get these in both my FCOM game and my WAC game.

I saw just a ton of various enchanted arrows - mostly super strong or flaming, but these look interesting:
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=28810 (?)
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=2798 (?)
... for Bosmer. Bosmer are supposed to loath using wood and prefer bone for arrows and bows. Haven't seen a comprehensive bone weapon set yet. Also both MMM and Crafty Bits give the ability to craft bone arrows.

Worthy of mention is http://www.tesnexus.com/modules/members/index.php?id=448877. He has done a lot of weapons and armor mods of varying quality (need to see them individually) and some are resources and some are not. http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=15465 are, but the equally cool and not enchanted http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=15518 & http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=15553 don't say. I'm sure he would be OK if asked though and he is active

Also his http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=14532 (and mesh additions for adding six to goblins and such) is not as stunning as Mythic creatures but more comprehensive. I install them prior to Mythic. These may be worth looking into for any creatures you might change - adds elderly and young too from the looks of it - I only use the textures not meshes.

... Too bad http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=15805 is not available to use (though apparently permission has been given before for the HiyokoStore mod, so maybe asking would work).


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Not sure if you want to get into clothing and magic items:

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=17558 (MR) With http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=17590.

Perhaps as more Rare items
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=6798 (by Madcat who is active) - though these are assigned to mage guild leaders.
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=21204

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=18875 (?) ... check out he other armors he has done too!

http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=17195 (MR)
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=15952 (?)
http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=12592 (MR)

I could probably go on with magic items and clothing, but seems out of scope for now.

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Body mods - several of the mods you list have body mods - just made by third parties - so help John out and if you see them link them.

Though body mod support looks great it will only be an issue with armor and clothing that does not fully cover - so that half t armor will look bad without body mod underneath (if you use a body mod), but the rest just won't be as form fitting (look vanilla) when wearing the armors.

good grief! its bigger than i thought it would be!! you call that little? thats gotta be a good 4-500 mb's worth of stuff! boy its gonna be awhile to download and get all of it my .esm :rofl: thank you for the list psymon, much appreciated!
anyone else suggestions? last night for them!