I know it's all speculation and too early to really tell but honestly of ALL the characters in the fallout universe I really really really hope Joshua Graham is at least refrenced in fallout 4.Either his fate after honest hearts or something.I also really hope the devs would put the fabled 1911 in 45.ACP into fallout 4 since it is a gun with rich history and one of my favorites in New vegas

What does everyone think? would it be awesome to have little follow ups with lore on what happened with Joshua and the legion and ncr,maybe new vegas as well?

doubt it, new vegas and fallout 4 are made by completely different people. If the lead writers want to expand on the burned man it would be way better. And i definitely want a 1911 in fallout 4

Info isnt needed on him since hes on tthe opposite side of tthe country. No onein boston should know or care who he is.

Here's Joshua Graham's fate, all the way in Boston...

"Joshua who?"

Considering that Fallout 4 supposedly starts before Fallout: New Vegas, the only information we might get from Fallout: New Vegas is stuff like the existence of New Vegas, the Brotherhood losing Helios One, and the destruction of the Divide. However, most of that info would likely come from the Institute and the Brotherhood since the Legion, Midwestern Brotherhood of Steel, and who knows what else stand between Vegas and Boston.

Except Fallout 4 doesn't necessarily take place before New Vegas. Some peeps think it does because Pete Hines said the game took place 200 years after the Great War, and people took that as an exact date instead of a generalization. And historically, Bethesda prefers to keep the timeline moving forward (Obsidian originally wanted New Vegas to take place before Fallout 3), so it would be out of character if Fallout 4 takes place before New Vegas.

I mean, it's possible, sure. But I don't think people should act like it's already a fact that Fallout 4 takes place before New Vegas.

Different time, different location. Hell, different genre.

I wouldn't mind a mention if the timeline of Fallout 4 makes it work. I'll always like him because he's proof that you can change a person's mindset but setting them on fire and throwing them into the Grand Canyon.

Didn't the slideshow endings of Honest Hearts specify enough of what became of Joshua Graham (depending on your choices of course)? Like most of the slideshow endings in NV?

Anyway, the east has no reason to care about nor be informed about anything going on in the west, let alone be informed about a single individual who has done nothing to impact where they live what so ever. I doubt we'll hear anything specific about the events of NV.

Bigger change for Doctor Li to appear, she went North after the main quest.

really? they're both RPG's... not sure where you're getting the different genre from. Unless you're calling fallout 4 a shooter.

RPGs (not the distinct lack of an apostrophe which doesn't belong there) are a broad genre. Obviously all three games are also FPSes, but that's secondary. And that's also what it is about. Fallout 3 is focused on running around and discovering new stuff, exploring pretty locations nearly without limitations, etc. The world of Fallout 3 was primarily made to be explored and to impress.

On the other hand, The world in FNV is just means for the storytelling (which ties with some exploration for good measure). Majority of that game's qualities are in dialogues and more or less subtle implications.

It's just completely different focus (neither of which is objectively better than the other).

Dragon Age Inquisition is also an RPG. Open-world one, even, but you wouldn't really say they're similar to F3, right?

I've never been able to figure out if the apastrophe is approtiate there or not.. stupid english and its multitude of rules.

anyways, I see what you mean, thanks for clarifying.

I laughed when I read your signatures back to back. Posts #7 and #8

Actually, your apostrophe was fine. Usually it's just for possessives and contractions, but it can also used for pluralization of acronyms. This use is starting to fall out of favour lately... some writing guides these days will say to only use it for single letters and numbers, and for acronyms only if the letters are separated by periods.

Sorry to go off topic. On topic, I'd be very surprised to hear anything about Joshua Graham on FO4, given the timeline and distances involved.

Maybe, but it isn't just what Pete said. In the demo Codsworth states that Howard is 200 years late for dinner. Being a robot, he's likely to be sort of precise on things like that and probably would have said Howard was 223 years late if that's how long it had actually been.

Unknown if its set before NV as said above.

If its set after though could be anything, depending on how you ended Honest Hearts he's either dead, pacified or become an even greater monster. The middle option would suit me as I like the idea that as time continues to move on in the fallout universe people are starting to become more aware of civilisations not on their immediate door step. Cross country travel, or trade, could be bcoming more common.

Majority of writing guides, actually. So no, it wasn't fine, and no, it should not be used for pluralization of acronyms in most cases. Apostrophe is used in specific cases to make something clearer / to avoid confusion, not for everything by default.

I forgot to say that I appreciate tatsutsume didn't snap at me for pointing that out, heh.

As much as I'd love to have some follow up on the lore, I am with most people saying that it is unlikely. I loved Honest Hearts/New Vegas and Joshua Graham's story.

As for the 1911, yes that would be great!

Judging by the focus on more original gun designs this time around, I doubt it, maybe a semi look alike as the .44 pistol? But yeah, no direct look alike this time I feel.

Normally I would simply dismiss this idea of anything from New Vegas showing up in FO4 simply due to the distance. This is one time when I can't entirely do that, though. Graham was a Mormon. If there's one thing Mormons are known for, it's sending missionaries out to the four corners of the earth. I don't see any reason that the apocalypse would change that. Seeing a pair of missionaries in Boston would be entirely conceivable. If FO4 takes place after New Vegas, then yes, they probably would know about Joshua Graham. That being said, they wouldn't be there to preach the Gospel of the Burned Man. They'd have no reason to mention Graham or the events of Honest Hearts and the player would have no reason to ask about them.

Mormons I can concede...in fact they probably would have some interesting tales to tell crossing the expanse, not to mention how many they lost along the way.

Pretty much this........why would people 3,000 miles away give a flying fudge about a mormon warlord, west coast tribals, the legion or indeed anything happening on the west coast, would they even get any information about the west coast, there doesn't appear to be any national radio or tv (or internet spreading info around) and there are apparently no well established trade routes coast to coast. Unless somebody is actively spreading knowledge of Graham around there is no real way for his story to spread to the east coast. Its a relatively small group of people that know about Graham and an even smaller group that know of his fate.

His fate was decided by the player in New Vegas DLC.....How would anyone in Boston even know who he is?

Hes a legend to the people of the legion and most of them doubt he exists. Caesar made it so that "The Burned Man" be forgot. Other then the courier and the tribe members in Honest Hearts, nobody is sure that hes alive.