How did Jurgen Windcaller, the founder of a religion where you just sit on a mountain all day and meditate on the voice get into Sovngarde? Do you think despite his lifestyle and the fact that his death wasn't mentioned beyond him being buried in that tomb, he somehow died in battle? The underlying question is do you need to die in battle to get in sovngarde, or is it:

1. Die in battle

2. Die valiantly, like the Stormcloak in the beginning who got his head cut off, or

3. Live a life of battle and war

If the three things above are the case, then it would explain how Jurgen got into Sovngarde, seeing how he was a warrior and tongue before he started the Grey-Beards.

And Ysgramor wasn't said to have died in battle. Neither was Olaf One-Eye. If they did, wouldn't someone somewhere have said who could have possibly taken these bosses out?

Ohlord, first off polls get us nowhere, second off this would again be better in lore seeing as more people would know the subject better. It's also A HUGE spoiler.

K, someone voted old age, and in battle only. How does that work if he went to sovngarde?

Either Svongarde is a warrior's paradise, or it isn't. If it is, Jurgen simply does not belong there. He didn't simply retire from the battlefield. He turned his back on that life, and embraced a philosophy diametrically opposed to it. I think what we have here is a case of writers throwing in NPC's for the coolness factor.

Jurgen shouldn't be in Sovngarde. He misused the Thu'um.

Ok well here are my sources

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Sovngarde,_a_Reexamination

"Rolf could not believe his good fortune, and his foolishness for not having realized the truth so many years before. For death was the entrance to Sovngarde. So he was told by Shor himself, who greeted Rolf the Large as a brother, and personally handed him a leg of roast mutton and the hand of a comely wench. Sovngarde, Shor told him, can be entered by any Nord who dies valiantly in honorable combat.

It is time for Nords to learn the truth. Eternal life can be theirs, without the need to spend an entire mortal life in vain pursuit of something completely unattainable. In the end, all valiant Nords can enter Sovngarde. Dismemberment, decapitation or evisceration seems a small price to pay for the chance to spend an eternity in Shor's wondrous hall."

According to this, the only lore explanation on how to get into sovngarde, that a nord needs to die in a valiant way, so either Beth screwed up and forgot this or Jurgen, Olaf and Ysgramor died in battle and using the excuse "Oh well there's no mention of it" yea look at what else isn't mentioned throughout the series that were part of major events

1. the Founders of the great houses, beyond the name of the original founding family the only house founders we know of are Nerevar and Dagoth Ur, doesn't mean the houses didn't have a major founder.
2. most of the reman dynasty, Alessian dynasty, septim dynasty and Medes, just because we didn't know who was emperor during those rules doesn't mean there weren't emperors.
3. House rulers between the founding of Resdayn and modern day morrowind save for the game Morrowind.
4. Most of the Camoran dynasty
5. The congressmen of the original Thalmor congress in the second aldmeri dominion

Just because it isn't mentioned in a in-game source doesn't mean anything, they still could've died from battle seeing as the are in sovngarde.

Beth screwed up doesn't seem like a good argument to me. Ysgramor's death surely would have been recorded if someone beat him in battle, but it wasn't.

Same for Olaf.

Same for Jurgen, the Grey-Beard founding leader.

He still shouldn't be in Sovngarde. Dude is a was [censored].

Yet we have nothing stating he died of old age or disease or poisoned, so we can assume since he is in sovngarde and since the only known way into sovngarde is said by a in-game text that is proven to be true he must have died in combat. Again just because it isn't seen in-game doesn't mean anything, there is a lot of stuff in Tamriel that is never explained in full detail or recorded. Same goes with Olaf and Jurgen, we can assume they died in combat because of the text yet there is nothing in-game or in obscure lore saying all a nord needs to do is live valiantly.

Ysgramor, THE Ysgramor would have been if it was of note. His death in battle would have been. They mention him dying but not how likely because it was of no worthy note, like old age.

But it's not and according to a in-game source that is the only known explanation to getting into sovngarde living valiantly just isn't enough.

"Shor told him, can be entered by any Nord who dies valiantly in honorable combat." Shor's own words.

You're overthinking it. He died in battle, hence, he's in Sovngarde.

Why wouldn't they tell of his death then?

Explain Jurgen then.

Lost in history and time.

They wouldn't lose that much. They could at least remember if the guy was killed. And Jurgen?

It's not that important. If he didn't die in battle, he wouldn't be in Sovngarde. Period.

Yet jurgen is.

We don't know what happened but he must've died in combat because he is in sovngarde.

What about Rogvir? Rogvir says when he's being executed

"This day, I go to Sovngarde."

Explain that.

Yet he isn't in sovngarde.

And a lot of nord npcs who die are not.

Yup, but since Roggvir wasn't there bringing him up proves literally nothing.

Lol, it shows that the Nords clearly believe dying in battle is not the only way. Valiant deaths are enough. Rogvir shows that is their belief, and their belief effects what is real.

But Roggvir isn't in sovngarde so that's easily disproven.

Belief effects what is real in MUNDUS because of the earthbones, sovngarde is in aetherius.

Not really since a LOT of nord npcs who die arent. That doesn't disprove anything.

At worst its 11/11/11.