Just to be clear: are Redguards not actually human?

Post » Mon May 07, 2012 8:53 pm

Pretty much just what it says. I was reading up on them and noticed that they don't share the ancient ancestral home of humans. So... what are they, if not human?
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Ally Chimienti
 
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 1:30 am

If they can reproduce with Nords and Imperials, that makes them scientifically human.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 2:00 am

Of course they're humans. If they weren't humans, they'd have "mer" at the end of their name. Like bosmer, altmer, orsimer, etc... Just because they're not from Skryim doesn't make them a different species.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 2:59 am

As far as i know they are human...
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 12:37 am

Of course they're humans. If they weren't humans, they'd have "mer" at the end of their name. Like bosmer, altmer, orsimer, etc... Just because they're not from Skryim doesn't make them a different species.
I never noticed the mer...
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 1:39 pm

Pretty much just what it says. I was reading up on them and noticed that they don't share the ancient ancestral home of humans. So... what are they, if not human?
Redguards came from Yokuda. Nords came from Atmora. God knows where Imperials and Bretons came from. Now, see if only one of them share the same ancestral home
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 2:09 am

tread lightly Dragonborn... but yes they are classed as a Human race what book did you read?
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 3:26 pm

They are human they are from a different continent than the Nedics.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 12:38 am

Redguards came from Yokuda. Nords came from Atmora. God knows where Imperials and Bretons came from. Now, see if only one of them share the same ancestral home
They all came from Tamriel originally, if Nu-Hatta is to be believe (and he probably is).
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 7:27 pm

I never noticed the mer...
but what about khajIIT? are you saying they are human?
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 3:38 am

They all came from Tamriel originally, if Nu-Hatta is to be believe (and he probably is).
never even heard about Nu-Hatta before. Looked it up and he said "all mortal life started on Tamriel". Well, don't know about that... but I guess
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 3:43 am

People keep telling me that no one of that world is Human.

And when you think about it, they aren`t.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 2:24 pm


but what about khajIIT? are you saying they are human?
Obviously the Khajiit and the Argonians are not Man or Mer, they are the Beast races.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 11:14 pm


but what about khajIIT? are you saying they are human?

No, they are not Mer either. They are a beast race. Like the Argonians or Hist or Sload.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 3:44 am

never even heard about Nu-Hatta before. Looked it up and he said "all mortal life started on Tamriel". Well, don't know about that... but I guess
It makes cosmic sense when you think about it.

Basically like this, if I've got my stuff straight: Nirn is created, Ehlnofey and Hist populate the land. Tamriel is like some mythical mega-continent. Ehlnofey break into Aldmer and Men. Dawn Era ends with Tamriel split across the oceans (and the Hist are said to have mostly sunk under the waters in this time of awful fighting, only remaining in the swamps of Black Marsh). Left-handed Elves and proto-Redguards end up on Yokuda. Some Men leave for Atmora, others stay in Cyrodiil (the Nedes, et al). The Aldmer, spreading out from the Summerset Isles, become Ayleids, Bosmer, Orsimer and Velothi (Chimer, later Dunmer), and those remaining in Summerset become Altmer. The Dwemer split at some unknown point in the far past.
Atmoran Men return to Tamriel, some split off and mix with Altmer in High Rock becoming the Bretons, others become the Nords.
Yokuda is destroyed, Redguards return to Tamriel.
Bosmer and Khajiit come from the same aldmeri forest-people, with Khajiit taking their distinctive form because of a blessing by Azura or somesuch. (not entirely sure on either point)

I think that's everybody.

edit: Oh, the Argonians. Produced by the Hist, the only sentient race of Tamriel that isn't descended from the Ehlnofey.
Pretty sure giants trace back to the Ehlnofey as well, actually.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 2:01 pm

but what about khajIIT? are you saying they are human?
I think Khajiit are undeniably a species of Elf or "mer". In Daggerfall (I think) my Khajiit was an elf with a tail. The only playable race that really defies the man or mer categories are the Argonians. They seem to be a reptile/mammal that has developed some type of symbiotic relationship with a plant.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 1:13 pm

Redguards came from Yokuda. Nords came from Atmora. God knows where Imperials and Bretons came from. Now, see if only one of them share the same ancestral home

imperials come from the nords :P They are basicly Nords that have lived in cyrodiil for along time and developed different traits. So they came fron Atmora aswell.

Bretons i dont know. They are half elf, (manmer) but where they came from i dont know.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 1:54 pm

It makes cosmic sense when you think about it.

Basically like this, if I've got my stuff straight: Nirn is created, Ehlnofey and Hist populate the land. Tamriel is like some mythical mega-continent. Ehlnofey break into Aldmer and Men. Dawn Era ends with Tamriel split across the oceans (and the Hist are said to have mostly sunk under the waters in this time of awful fighting, only remaining in the swamps of Black Marsh). Left-handed Elves and proto-Redguards end up on Yokuda. Some Men leave for Atmora, others stay in Cyrodiil (the Nedes, et al). The Aldmer, spreading out from the Summerset Isles, become Ayleids, Bosmer, Orsimer and Velothi (Chimer, later Dunmer), and those remaining in Summerset become Altmer. The Dwemer split at some unknown point in the far past.
Atmoran Men return to Tamriel, some split off and mix with Altmer in High Rock becoming the Bretons, others become the Nords.
Yokuda is destroyed, Redguards return to Tamriel.
Bosmer and Khajiit come from the same aldmeri forest-people, with Khajiit taking their distinctive form because of a blessing by Azura or somesuch. (not entirely sure on either point)

I think that's everybody.

edit: Oh, the Argonians. Produced by the Hist, the only sentient race of Tamriel that isn't descended from the Ehlnofey.
Pretty sure giants trace back to the Ehlnofey as well, actually.
Don't know about all that, and I thought I've read my share of the Lore. Good to know, especially about the French Bretons
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 12:05 am

Hmm... guess I must have misread, then. I was reading http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Redguard]this[/url] and thought that it meant that all of the races came from Atmora... except for the Redguards. That doesn't appear to be the case.

As far as reproducing with Nords and Imperials, I don't know that I've ever seen a mixed anyone in an Elder Scrolls game.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 10:34 pm

Am I a human? :s
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 6:30 pm

Make a wood elf and you can get them to look an awful lot like a dark elf or a high elf. You can make cross breeds
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 9:35 pm

As far as reproducing with Nords and Imperials, I don't know that I've ever seen a mixed anyone in an Elder Scrolls game.

That`s probably because Bethesda hadn`t thought that far.

But if you go to Margoth, there`s a smithing couple who are Reguard (and I don`t know what she is, but she`s white) and they have a daughter that could be mixed race.

But it`s amazing how deep people can go with this stuff.

Sometimes I like to think of other peoples of other fantasy worlds who look Human as not human because perhaps they don`t make race such an issue as we do here. Which is just one part of our problems in this world.
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 1:37 pm

No, they are not Mer either. They are a beast race. Like the Argonians or Hist or Sload.

The Hist is a beast race?

One of three things is happening:

-You are incorrect

-I misunderstand the Hist

-"Hist" can refer to more than one thing

Which is it?

http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Hist
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Post » Mon May 07, 2012 1:44 pm

Hmm... guess I must have misread, then. I was reading http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Redguard%5Dthis[/url] and thought that it meant that all of the races came from Atmora... except for the Redguards. That doesn't appear to be the case.

As far as reproducing with Nords and Imperials, I don't know that I've ever seen a mixed anyone in an Elder Scrolls game.
In TES the offspring is the same race as the mother. So, if an Argonian male and a bosmer female have a baby, you get a bosmer baby. So, there could be plenty of cross-species babies. They just don't have any different characteristics than a full blooded child.
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Post » Tue May 08, 2012 1:32 am

It makes cosmic sense when you think about it.

Basically like this, if I've got my stuff straight: Nirn is created, Ehlnofey and Hist populate the land. Tamriel is like some mythical mega-continent. Ehlnofey break into Aldmer and Men. Dawn Era ends with Tamriel split across the oceans (and the Hist are said to have mostly sunk under the waters in this time of awful fighting, only remaining in the swamps of Black Marsh). Left-handed Elves and proto-Redguards end up on Yokuda. Some Men leave for Atmora, others stay in Cyrodiil (the Nedes, et al). The Aldmer, spreading out from the Summerset Isles, become Ayleids, Bosmer, Orsimer and Velothi (Chimer, later Dunmer), and those remaining in Summerset become Altmer. The Dwemer split at some unknown point in the far past.
Atmoran Men return to Tamriel, some split off and mix with Altmer in High Rock becoming the Bretons, others become the Nords.
Yokuda is destroyed, Redguards return to Tamriel.
Bosmer and Khajiit come from the same aldmeri forest-people, with Khajiit taking their distinctive form because of a blessing by Azura or somesuch. (not entirely sure on either point)

I think that's everybody.

edit: Oh, the Argonians. Produced by the Hist, the only sentient race of Tamriel that isn't descended from the Ehlnofey.
Pretty sure giants trace back to the Ehlnofey as well, actually.

Thanks for that post, much more elucidative than the book that explains that (Nirn something). It's amazing how much backstory there is to this game...
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