See you are talking about two different things. The screen shot trees you showed are not canadian sized trees. Huge difference, about 300 feet difference at least.

All I was trying to show with Canada, is having bigger trees than what we've seen being in Skyrim is not implausible, not that I literally want 400 foot trees. The screenshot showed you what I want, the comparison says it can happen. Canada doesn't just have 2 sized trees. If something can grow to 450 feet, it can also grow to 100 feet or whatever size.

But why did you take canda as an example if you talked about so small trees that even norway has in some places? When you talk about canadas trees, it's so large trees that you can build a motorway through them. :huh:

Simply because it had already been mentioned and you seemed to have a problem with the trees I posted being in Skyrim. But doesn't matter now, we're in agreement on larger but not gigantic trees.

Well yes, now that we got canadian huge trees out of the picture

Ofcourse it would be cool to see them though, but yeah, I do agree that they should stay out of the picture.

Variety is the key word here, plus, Todd said Skyrim IS a rugged place, and so I'd prefer to see something similar to this in Skyrim: http://good-wallpapers.com/pictures/4464/1440_snowy_forest_wallpaper.jpg

Hopefully.

Would be nice to see some spooky forests like this. http://www.loweswatercam.co.uk/08080614.jpg
Lots of delicious mist is good.

Hell yeah, only with more fog!

Yes, you can never have too much fog in a spooky forest.

I wish they have some dark forests, dark-snowy forests etc.

I also hope to see some Draughr roaming these forests, could be awesome seeing them outside rather than only in dungeons.

I live in Canada and have as of yet to see a big tree you can drive through.

I'm surrounded by temperate forest where you can find anything from pine, spruce, fir, maple, oak, dogwood, poplar, cedar, just to name a few.

A pic from my part of the woods --> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v75/Doom_Dude/Forest/ns_2003.jpg

Anyhow I think the trees look good in Skyrim. I like the forests in Oblivion and I'm sure if they can do justice to the trees in Oblivion they'll do a nice job in Skyrim as well.

Skyrim trees will look much better when your playing the game anyhow.

As for the whole 'why is there a huge rotten log and no trees of comparable size' in some Skyrim shot. Big trees die to give way to younger growth and sometimes when in the woods you will come across a huge tree surrounded by smaller ones. Sometimes the bigger trees are rare due to disease and wind storms and old age n stuff.

Maybe the bigger trees in Skyrim collapsed because the cliffracers prefer to nest in them all at once. Lots of cliffracers and shallow roots + wind storm = bad.

To be fair I don't think we've seen enough of the game yet to judge the tree quality and besides the game is still being developed.

I think we can easily say that everything we have seen so far in the trailers has been made better - considering it was made just shy of a year befroe the games release.

The world is handcrafted. Do you really think they're going to be completely redesigning it less than a year before release?

no not redesigning it but tweaking it. There's still plenty of time for them to do that too. I still think we haven't seen enough of the game though. A small patch of trees in a screenshot or two isn't a good example and that's just my opinion of course. I live in GA and I could take a picture of some pine trees along the roads here and very easily find a section where they look basically the same just different sizes.

The concern is out of the fact that every conifer (and we have actually seen about 20 or so seperate scenes with these in a variety of locales) looks almost the exact same, not just a screenshot or two.

oh so you're only talking about the pine trees ? yep, that's what pine trees look like, there's not much difference in how they grow except for different heights as they span different ages of tree. Pine tree forests can cover a large area too and seem very redundant. I didn't know there are 20 screenies out there all showing pine trees.

Check the earlier pages. There's a list. I would prefer if they had some larger conifers, as well as some more special variety.

And my point is maybe they do or will have, maybe we just haven't seen the area of the game where they're at. 20 screenies in various stages of development is still not a good sample imo. If not then maybe you or someone else feeling the same way can design a mod with trees that look the way you guys want them to.

Your backyard's graphics are incredible. What kind of system are you running? :whistling:

Tree's look great. For the most part I would say the forest in Skyrim is based of the Taiga forest. Which is the largest forest in the world (this one) and covers half the globe. It doesn't have a large tree variety due to it's northern climate and severe temperatures.

PIcs

http://www.ecosystema.ru/08nature/world/fi/01.jpg
http://www.mountain.ru/photo/03-2001/naya_taiga_hr.jpg
http://www.windows2universe.org/earth/images/taiga_sm.jpg
http://skolaiimages.com/journal/wp-content/uploads/2009/04/08_dec1325.jpg
http://library.thinkquest.org/TQ0310225/graphics/mountain.jpg
http://files.louisbiome.webnode.com/200000022-0a3e60c332/taiga.jpg

Look familiar?

Also the ranger screenshot where he is hunting a deer looks great. The tree's are textured beautifully.

Good work Beth

I'm just hoping the branches will actually look 3 dimensional this time. The branches in Oblivion just followed you as you went around. I mean, COME ON, that's exactly what the dead enemies in Doom 95 did.

I'm assuming you mean the leaves and not the branches.
Sorry to break your hopes bud, but one of the reviewers who where at Bethesda a few weeks ago specifically mentioned that he thought the leaves on the trees looked flat. You can also see this in the trailer at the end when Dovahkiin devours the soul. But also, they won't "follow you around", because they aren't 5 year old speedtree models. In other words, they'll look very 2D but not "follow you around".

dont worry they will have variety....and different trees have different branch weight and the wind will affect this so if heavy branches are swaying a lot you can tell that the wind is very strong

This is hardly a rational explanation for why there aren't any large trees surrounding a huge rotten log, think twice and understand what you just wrote.

As for the statement that we haven't seen enough to judge that there isn't much tree variety: No, we haven't seen about 99% of Skyrim, but the current screenshots look as though it may have the same exact tree in those areas.

As for the pictures taken from the Taiga forest, notice that they are similar, but more crowded, larger in numbers and do offer a tight environment, while Skyrim's environment showed as so far that there aren't many dense forests.
Also, I agree, the trees in Skyrim look great, but still, realism isn't the only matter at hand as it is a fantasy game, and they have about 7+ types of areas crowded in a small landscape, which is NOT realistic at all. I think tree variety can add a lot to a fantasy game, especially to that feeling of adventure we're ALL looking for.