A lot of us weren't happy... and still aren't.

I still prefer Skyrim to Oblivion, though not to Morrowind.

Mostly my problem with Oblivion was I could not get over how fake the world seemed.

The NPCs were for the most part way too shallow. Technically speaking, most of Skyrim's NPCs have more unique lines than the average Oblivion one (the average one had 2 unique lines, these were usually their initial greeting and a line they delivered upon asking about their town). Otherwise, they drew from a pool that was shared by every other NPC. This was the same in Morrowind, except worse, because in Morrowind most NPCs had no unique lines at all. And the AI was abysmal, I'd rather have a faked, scripted NPC convo than one that attempts to be dynamic but fails to ever once throw up something believable.

The graphical style I didn't agree with either. So much roundness on everything, but that's a personal gripe. Also, on technical issues, the lack of gravity and floaty feel to the world.

Dungeons were bland and about as bad as Skyrim's for light levels. They weren't linear (most of the time) but still pretty poor, and the level scaling was... well, everyone knows that story. Loss of spell making was sad, but it really needed overhauling. I guess I'd rather not have it than have Oblivion's type, but I agree it would have been better to keep it. Enchanting being a skill is back to the good ways too, and the addition of smithing is welcome. Alchemy at benches makes more sense than lugging equipment, so this is fine. Classes were a terrible thing with the level system, so I'm okay without them. No idea why they saw to remove birthsigns though.

The quests were good however, even if I disliked the MQ and a few events such as the end of the Mages Guild. Or the niceness of the Thieves' Guild. I agree Skyrim could do with better quests.

In all I enjoyed some of OB, but vanilla Skyrim beats vanilla OB. And for ability to play without screaming at slow pace, it beats Morrowind too, but in many ways, that's a plus to Morrowind, just wish I had the time to devote to it again.

Funny it's the exact opposite for me. Skyrim ran so horrible on my ps3 at one point that it became unplayable. I lost all the info on my ps3 twice. I lost 25hrs of gameplay due to broken quests and freezing/crashing. Another reason I picked up Oblivion was because of Skyrim becoming unplayable. It was amazing going into oblivion from playing Skyrim. I was so use to stopping my game every 20 minutes and backing up my data to a flash drive that when I realized I didn't have to do with the oblivion I jumped for joy. Oblvion ran very very smooth for me. You know that may be one reason I enjoy Oblivion more. Actually now that I think about it my opinion on Skyrim would be much different if it ran good at the time. The patches pretty much fixed my problems but it still doesn't make good for all the crap I went through at first. Any other game and I would of snapped it in half, I wouldn't even care about the money I paid for it.

Nobody will ever know how bad Skyrim ran or what we went through(some are still going through) unless it happened to you. One of my favorite games but definetly the worst bugged game I've ever played. When I was watching spike tv and saw Skyrim won GOTY it was a love/hate thing. I was happy they won but at the same time very angry because I'm watching them win an award for game that I'm looking at collect dust on the shelf due to being unplayable. It may have been Sony's fault or Bethesda's but I didn't really care at the time and still don't. All I know is it's 100% unacceptable next go around, next game.

"Complex" won't ever be in a game from a major studio ever again. Accessability is the name of the game these days, that the widest demographical range can be satisfied. It's sad but there's nothing we can do about it

Finally, I think we should all be thankful that we don't have to deal with cliff racers anymore!


We still do, they are just bigger and meaner to fight. Plus they might be more annoying.

Like some I hadn't played Skyrim in months.I through it in the other day and was at a DB sanctuary with a level 42 assassin with no levels put in enchanting or smithing so I rely on stealth attacks almost solely. Anyway I walked for 2 seconds before those giant cliffracers flew over and started to attack the town I was by. I use plurals because there was 3 of them!!!! So I walked into town and every person was slayed and I was uninterested in trying to kill 3 of them so I reload. Fast travel to Whiterun and guess what?? There is one flying over the city. I finished the main quest hoping these extremely annoying cliffracers would stop showing up!! I was a huge Elder Scrolls fan loving Daggerfell, Morrowind and Oblivion even as I felt they were slowly "dumbing" down the series. Even with a lot of things I desperately wanted changed such as dual wielding and massive sneak damage they went and took a lot of what I loved about the previous games and just took them out. Spell making is one of the best parts and it's gone. Of course there is much more but don't want to keep rambling.

You have to remember that everylikes different aspects of the game. I remember one poster saying that he wished he could fast travel from inside the dungeons because it was so tedious to walk out of them carrying all his loot. Another person gets mad because Beth alway' includes a back door or quick exit. I personally loved Cliff racers and thought Oblivions biggest fault was poor dialogue and animations. I loved the absolute freedom (to the point of unbalanced gameplay) that Morrowind gave you while Skyrim balances the game to the point where there isn't much point in advancement. THey're trying all kinds of different tacts and they won't be able to please everyone.
I wonder if they were to come out with something that required as much effort as Daggerfall (in terms of hardcoe modes, pointless exploration for the sake of finding something, having to eat, bank, sleep, camp, etc) if people would like it or if it would be labelled as too much trouble to enjoy. I would love it, many others would, but would it be a profit? Beth is a money maker first, as dirty as that sounds and they will never make a game that tops their previous efforts, because people forget that Morrowind had lousy combat, that all of Daggerfall's explorable land was the same, or that everyone in Oblivion looked and spoke the same way.
Enjoy Skyrim, and I hope they can fix the mess that is the latest pach...

I also enjoyed cliffracers but there larger brethren are just annoying. I understand what you are saying I'm just not happy with Skyrim as it stands.

OP, if you really want to see what Skyrim should have been, install OOO (Oscuro's Oblivion Overhaul) on Oblivion, assuming you have it on PC.

I thought Beth hired him for Fallout but not Skyrim?

Even if I like Skyrim and Morrowind better than Oblivion, I can say that Oblivion had a couple of better things. I liked the look of Oblivion's scroll menu font the most, Morrowind's and Skyrim's menu font were both plain black, but they're okay. The worlds of Skyrim and Morrowind look more creative and detailed than Oblivion, but Oblivion somewhat felt more atmospheric. Also Oblivion's weapon and spell sound effects are probably my favorite.

Same. I miss speed, athletics, and acrobatics, but beyond that, not having them doesn't change much if anything for me.

Someone should make a mod where the dragon sounds in Skyrim are replaced by the cliff racer sounds from Morrowind.
Now THAT would be annoying!

I personally don't find dragon attacks in Skyrim much of a problem. And I never, ever, saw two or more dragons attacking the same area.
Here's a theory: I see a lot of people in these forums insisting on playing on the hardest difficulty level. Well, dragons are intended to be mini-bosses, so if you play on hard, dragons are certainly going to be much more of a challenge, and then as you level up higher you will start getting the ancient dragons, and then if you get multiple of them... you get the idea.

To me dragons were pretty challenging at first, but as I leveled up and got better armor, weapons and spells, dragons became just another kind of fight. In fact, sometimes I looked forward to encountering and fighting dragons just to absorb more souls and get some nice loot.

The only thing that really bothers me about dragons is that they will occasionally attack open towns (Riverwood in particular) and sometimes kill some of the town NPC merchants.
Now, good merchants in Skyrim are a commodity, so I really hated to lose even one, especially in a town as accessible as Riverwood.

By the way, about half-way through my first playthrough of Morrowind I installed the cliff racer extinction mod, and that made playing Morrowind so much more pleasant.

Also, I absolutely agree with Oblivion having horrid NPC faces, and a bit of a cartoonish look. All the other virtues of the game, however, make up for those shortcomings, IMO.

The one thing I totally despise about Skyrim is the automatic one-liners you get from NPCs when you get close to them:
Everytime you would go into a certain store that kid would mock you (for the 67th time), or that guy would tell you that he works at the store (for the 89th time).
Or Nazeem asking you about the Cloud City (for the 278th time), and that old lady hoping that your parents are proud of you (for the 46th time), or the city guard warning he will cut off your hand if he finds it in his pocket (for the 32nd time), or your housecarl giving you the same monotonous greeting for the 378th time, or the mage in Whiterun suggesting you should join the College of Winterhold (I am the Arch-Mage you idiot!).

It totally destroyed the immersion with characters.

I agree with you here, in Oblivion I felt like I was part of the world. I often forgot my surroundings and got drawn into the game. And with Skyrim its just that a game, there is no real immersiom.

Greg

I think it was Obsidian, and that he worked on New Vegas?

One huge thing for me that made skyrim a little less fun was something that was my own fault. I use enchanting and smithing with perks and now I have no use for any item in the game. I can make an armor chest peice have 70 extra health and 70 magic or whatever else I choose, it will be a high stay no matter what I choose.

This I think should have been the point at which this thread came to an end.
Once TES VI comes out it will read like this:

"
Skyrim is so much deeper than TESVI.
Haha we used to call Skyrim ''shallow'' back than
"

True story.

Like i said in the first page

It (Oblivion) still is (shallow), but it looks deep compared to Skyrim. Just like Skyrim will look deep compared to TES VI.

I disagree with every aspect of your first sentence. And I would reword your second, but aside from that I'm with you.

lmao so much truth in this post

Oblivion is more addictive because quests are more interesting and if you're on PC there are literaly thousands of mods that make the game better and almost bug free.

Skyrim has better graphics, the leveling is much better and the landscape feels like Fallout.

Both games are great but I don't get the same addicted feeling to Skyrim as I still have with Oblivion

You want to play a good TES game prior to Skyrim? Try... well, really any of them EXCEPT Oblivion. Arena was good for its time, though it hasn't aged well. Daggerfall was good for its time; also hasn't aged well (lots of bugs make it very difficult to play without throwing your computer out the window). Morrowind was good for its time. In my opinion it's aged fairly well, especially with mods. Oblivion was absolutely horrible. I don't know how you can play Skyrim and then go to Oblivion and find it refreshing. I don't even know why I still own Oblivion. It's just so bad it makes my eyes water. Skyrim did remove some things, like Spell Making (yes, Spell Making was awesome... before Oblivion. It svcked so much in Oblivion they probably thought removing it was the way to go when really they just needed to return magicka to the way it was prior to Oblivion), things that shouldn't have been removed, but at least Skyrim is an awesome game. I could spend the rest of my life trying to come up with an explanation for how you're enjoying Oblivion, and I would die without having come up with even one. I would go as far as to say that Skyrim is on par with Morrowind and Daggerfall, but, for nostalgia's sake, I'm not going to try and rank them because Morrowind has been my favorite game of all time for quite a while now. Oblivion just makes me want to throw up.

I really like Skyrim, because I love the nordic set and feel, the dragons, the mountain and the sheer look of the game. But I bought the game in november (11/11/11) and I feel I am already through with it...Oblivion took me 2 years to really get tired of it...
Hope the DLCs will be massive...

Daggerfall is like the Atlantic ocean.
Morrowind is like Caspian sea.
Oblivion is like Loch Ness lake.
Skyrim is like a puddle.

If we're gonna compare TES games to bodies of water, Oblivion would be like the water in your toilet after you take a nasty [censored]. Skyrim is way better than Oblivion.

I agree. I feel like I'm opening up a fallout 3 menu every time I open Skyrim's.