I pre-ordered FNV and I still haven't risked playing it yet. I don't want to get 50 hours in only to possibly lose all my saves. And it doesn't look like Obsidian/Bethesda are going to release this patch anytime soon, so I'm just gonna wait until early next year to start playing it. There are plenty of other games to enjoy in the meantime, like Dragon Age Origins Ultimate Edition which I'm really looking forward to. I'm just disappointed that I've paid ￡40 for a game which I could have paid ￡20 for early next year instead. Lesson learned - Never pre-order a game again.

they've confirmed that the patch is complete and has been sent to microsoft for verification.

you're right thought that you should never pre order a game...the "bonuses" offered are never anything more than cheap in game items that become useless after an hour or so of play. not to mention that if the game is bugged, you've just wasted a lot of money.

Yeah this is just showing other developers that if you are gonna miss your release date you don't need to push it back. Just release what you have done so far on a disc, sell huge and win all kinds of awards with great reviews because critics don't have time to play through the whole thing and then you can finish making the game at your leisure and call it a patch.

Thank you.
Agree 100%.
But i can't name any other industry that can get away with charging you full price for a product that is'nt finished and then finish it after you have bought it (or sometimes not even bother to finish it at all).

Most reviewers do play through a game. Whether they're truthful as to the amount of bugs they might have had, that's another thing (insert conspiracy theories about paid reviews somewhere else), but reviewers will generally sit down and play through at least the main quest, even if they speed through it. And it's not unreasonable to believe that many reviewers didn't experience the DLC issue, as I personally know many people who didn't (and don't personally know a single person who did). Every review I read mentioned bugs though. Also, the consumer has to share some blame with the "just release what you've done so far" mindset you mentioned. If people didn't pre-order games, there'd be less incentive to rush it out the door, instead delay it (or don't announce a release date to begin with) and let it build hype. But when they see "oh, there's hundreds of thousands/over a million pre-orders", they might as well get it out, and get that guaranteed money.

I didn't actually pre-order it for the "bonus" content, which was meaningless to me anyway. I pre-ordered it because F3 is one of my most favourite games of all time, and so I was more excited about FNV than any other game before. Generally speaking I'm a very patient gamer. I only just bought Halo Reach (I couldn't wait too long for that one), Dragon Age Origins etc recently. It seems to me if you stay a year or two behind the latest releases then you can still get to play all the best games, but save a lot of money, and a lot of bug-related stress.

That's the biggest disappointment for me. Had they published a press release saying that unfortunately the game had many bugs, some of them very serious, and that they would push the release date back (maybe so it would come out just in time for Christmas), then I'm sure the vast majority would have said "ok. it's a shame, but I don't mind waiting an extra couple of months for a game that works well". I know I would have.

It was a joke.

I agree - I just spent ~$30 (half the cost of FNV) on a oil change for my car and received a satisfaction survey and a thank-you email from the local dealer and a survey from the corporate headquarters asking how I was treated by the dealer. Too bad software companies don’t treat their customers better….

Unfortunately, the game is still riddled with bugs which can be frustrating. BUT it is not entirely broken that you cannot play it for a couple hours a day or so. The worse glitches I have encountered is when the game fails to load during the load screen when leaving/entering a building. That happens once every 45 minutes or so for me, which only requires a quick system reset. I have not encountered any save corruption issues and I have played and completed the main story quest half-a-dozen times already. In my current playthrough, about 4~ hours so far, I have not encountered any glitches, which is weird since I actually cleared out the system cache and in the process, deleted the patch that was released soon after the game was released.

It's totally up to you if you want to wait or not, I myself am probably going to give the game a rest, you can only playthrough the same quests over and over again. I'll start playing again when Dead Money is released.

I would say, i am half and half, somewhat upset and somewhat not. These are the facts as of now to me.

1. Obsidian could have done a much better job and even pushed back the release date to fix and repair a larger amount of the game. Also There was no reason that this "Save Corruption Bug" should have been in this game. This shows the lack of following up on these (TESTERS) and making sure they are doing there job. Then again you can argue that this is a very big game and there is no way to eliminate all the bugs or even predict some of the major ones that occurred, Many games have been far worse. So thats something to think about before we start flaming our selfs to death.

2. I really do not understand why Bethesda did not do the programming and design parts??? I like obsidian but why the switch?

3. I understand why there are many upset costumers and some want some kind of compensation. I mean the game was released with a boat load of bugs, too many for how good they claimed this title would be. The Dev's on these forums did a very poor job of informing or keeping us fans at ease and after all this time there are still some major issues. I would like to add this is not me starting a flame war, i understand people make mistakes, It's just the Dev's say people be calm we will update you when we know what going on, well part of your job is to talk to the people even when you do not know whats going on, ease there minds. I mean we did pay $60 and make you guys look good, because you said this game would be good. Maybe some free DLC. LOL i understand this probably wont happen because most gaming company's are greedy like every other major industry out there, Its all about the $$$$$. I appreciate the fallout game, i am a hardcoe fan. Lets just get this right next time and can Bethesda/Obsidian do the right thing and appreciate there fans a little more. Think about them $$$ you make and why??? Every time us fans Pre-order's one of your titles or pays more for the premium edition of the title.

4. Overall the Fallouts games are great, i just wish Bethesda/Obsidian really understood how much we appreciate it, that the smallest bugs can make us go crazy.