This is still the funniest argument on this site.

I have a spellsword type character, who uses destruction for ranged attacks, and one handed for melee.

As a magic user, you can just use destruction to dish out damage at range, for the same reason that as a combat skill user you can just use archery to dish out damage at range.

Destruction is broken, full stop. All of the other damaging skills stand alone, especially with the presence of shouts. .

This is still the funniest argument on this site.

I have a spellsword type character, who uses destruction for ranged attacks, and one handed for melee.

As a magic user, you can just use destruction to dish out damage at range, for the same reason that as a combat skill user you can just use archery to dish out damage at range.

Destruction is broken, full stop. All of the other damaging skills stand alone, especially with the presence of shouts. .

Guess no one gets that magic has something else other then damage output.

It has..Well..This thing known as..Effects.

I'm a fire mage but I bet just using ice magic would be better then using Melee, against another melee type.

Hell, place a rune down summon a familiar, put on a cloak and combo the hell out of people with magic.

But who wants to do that eh? We just want to repetitively spa the same spell. /sarcasm

If only bethesda had balanced things where using combos(nothing really combos in this game lol) were more effective than spamming 1 spell. You can do all that crap. I'll easily do more damage than you as well as crowd control everyone in a room by spamming ONE spell. Bad design is bad design.

spamming thunderbolt does ALOT less dmg than chaining a cloak a rune a wall and then use thunderbolt, this is fact m8.

This is not a fact at higher levels. Switching to wall/cloack(lol super low damage)/rune from thunderbolt spam will considerably lower your dps and survivability as they don't stagger. On master it will make mobs just laugh at you.

Those spells are useless for most of my game. In the end its about thunderbolt/chainlightening spam, or the other elemental versions.

That is until I got mods.

The time you spent to cast cloak(not even 12 dps) and wall reduces your damage output by a considerable amount compared to a dual cast thunderbolt.

Those spells are useless and do useless damage. I can't believe anyone would defend how badly they scale. Grats, you did 58 more damage to a Deathlord, while thunderbolt dealth 1000.

It's funny how this is how it always work.

Something is different, it has it's own issues -> EVERYTHING WAS BETTER IN THE OLD WAY, WHY CHANGE, RETURN THE OLD THING!


In other words, no spellmaking will do nothing.
Add more spells, that's it.

No. I know how to efficiently use Destro. Its called spamming 2 spells, since all of the other ones are a waste of DPS.

You're wasting time putting up runes that do insignificant damage, 3 wall spells that do garbage damage, and a cloak on yourself -> in that time you set up your crap traps I would have already cleared the room and nothing would have come close to me due to stagger spam. Basically, you are using those spells as flash. Stop using them and kill stuff 2x faster dude.

No. I know how to efficiently use Destro. Its called spamming 2 spells, since all of the other ones are a waste of DPS.

You're wasting time putting up runes that do insignificant damage, 3 wall spells, and a cloak on yourself -> in that time I would have already cleared the room and nothing would have come close to me due to stagger spam. Basically, you are using those spells as flash. Stop using them and kill stuff 2x faster dude.

I'm level 50 on master. Placing runes before a fight slows me down when I could just use that same mana/time to run in and do 4x the damage from thunderbolt spam.

Placing a rune during a fight is the biggest drop in damage ever, so I hope you don't do this.

You're not factoring in the fact that these spells also take time to cast, when in that same time period tbolt spam will out do them by a factor of 4-5x.

Their damage is crap and they lower your dps past level 35.


They svck and dont scale. Also you conveniently skip direct-sprays and cloak svckyness. Those should scale too.

I'm talking about walls, cloacks, sprays, and runes. These don't scale. They should, they promote different play-styles and strategies.

Currently using them during battle will be nearly pointless on Master, except for stacking 3 walls which comes some-what close in DPS--but stops the chain staggering on mobs that can 1 shot you.

We all know the bolts are alright. I even said I use all 3 elemental bolts.

I think the only viable destruction spell for most situations is dual casting fireballs. You have the stagger, aoe damage, and range by doing so. Though you might not be able to spam the spell at first until you get really high level enchanting. Everything else either doesn't have enough range, aoe damage, stagger, takes too long to charge up, or not worth the mana for the damage output.

"they dont scale" hwo dont they scale? they scale the exact same as any spell...

I really like the fact that there a fewer spells to get, I NEVER used magic in Oblivion because I was too afraid of my spell list reaching insanely cluttered levels from so many spells that become redundant in a few level-ups, Skyrim averts this even in the school of Illusion, so now I can finally bring myself to play as a mage. I would still like to see more spell EFFECTS though, perhaps DLC will add some more, but right now, I'm satisfied.

I would like a way to delete spells but I still prefer the magic in Skyrim over Oblivion.

As a magic user, you can just use destruction to dish out damage at range, for the same reason that as a combat skill user you can just use archery to dish out damage at range.

Destruction is broken, full stop. All of the other damaging skills stand alone, especially with the presence of shouts. .

Exactly.

Fireball and Incinerate scale better cause you get them at higher levels. Most low level spells do not scale, since the 50% buff isn't enough.

I play like this too, with some characters.

Destruction is the worst thought out school in this game, and nobody can really dispute this but they try...

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you arnt really high level are you? you prly dont even play on master...
you get the wall spells at the same rank as incenerate and thunderbolt... see this is anoying, wasting time arguing with someone that doesnt even have a clue :/

Most low level spells do not scale, since the 50% buff isn't enough.

you dont play on master if you can kill mobs of your rank in 2-3 seconds...
if you are attacking trash, sure 2-3 thunderbolts do the job, no point even using fire to debuff them..., but when you are facing with 4-6 leaders or liutenants, the fight takes alot longer, and using spells such as walls increase your dps drasticaly

Few simple tweaking could have made destruction so much more rich in options and just plain old fun.

First, remove magic cost reduction enchants, reduce high level spell's cast cost by at least half, and create enchants that add flat damage (adding percentages always end up breaking, flat numbers can be balanced better). Something like 20 extra damage max per slot.

Second, I would've changed rune to about 3 ~ 4 times in size, and change their function so that they lower resist of all those who are inside the rune. Top it off with really high mana cost, maybe even percentage mana cost, like 25% of your total mana. This will add spacial advantages/disadvantages to every fight.

Third, impact has to go. Sorry, but perma stun lock is just blatantly not fun. Ice should be the source of enemy movement control. Instead, dual casting would bring element-unique effect to the table, like fire cause secondary explosion for 30 ~ 50 extra damage to targets that were already on fire, frost cause ground beneath the target to freeze over, causing other enemies to slip and fall in that area (if that's too hard, then just another 10% snare on top of frost's regular snare), and lightning would add visible charge to the enemy, and at max charge on out door, the enemy would be struck by lightning for 100 damage or so.

Fourth, add more flavor to the perks. Fire perks should let the fire burn for longer duration (both fire on target and on environment), frost one should increase the snare, with something like base frost being 20% and 2 perks bringing it up to 35% and 50%, and lightning should exclusively get stamina and magicka drain. So fire for maximum damage, frost for movement control, and lightning to reduce combat capabilities of the enemy.

I think most of those could be tweaked in since there are many in game stuff of similar effects.