Lets all hope for a Midas Magic Spells Skyrim mod to be released, with tons of differend spells

is anyone else disappointed with the fact that you need to use a perk point to be able to cast/ use an equivalent spell effectively more than once? for example in order to even cast a master level destruction spell (with out abusing enchanting or alchemy) you NEED to use a perk point for Master on the skill tree to cut the cost in half. shouldn't the cost reduction been included in actually leveling up to 25/50/75/100? to me that's 5 wasted perk spots on each of the magic school trees that could have been used for an actual perk.

The sad truth is for destruction mage to be universally functional he has to use bows and swords and/or conjurations/companion, which imho make him spellsword/summoner not a mage who uses just spells to destroy his enemies.

You can play pureish destro mage using destro/resto/alteration/illusion, but if you pick up a sword or bow, you will notice that some encounters are suddenly so much easier. I still remember around lvl 10 when I got to some tomb with my destro mage and last encounter I was like there no way I can do this ... then I picked up an axe for the first time with that character and it was smooth sailing. I was like this ain't right ...

I read somewhere that by level 50, the power ratio between a warrior and a mage is 500:1. I can believe that. My level 42 warrior is literally untouchable. He can take on 2 giants and 3 mammoths without any issue, he can behead a bandit marauder in one hit and Alduin was more of a pin?ta than a final boss and went down in seconds.

Try using a mage. Destruction spells will not help you. It would take 10 minutes to kill a Draugr Deathlord using fire spells even though they are weak to fire! As a mage your only real options are "hide and let enemies frenzy eachother", "run away and let a dremora take care of them" or "hide and let a dremora take care of them". It's no fun.

Magic was my favourite in Oblivion. Spellmaking was so amazing, when I found out it wasn't in this game it was nearly a deal breaker for me, but I was assured that there would be default spells good enough to make up for the lack of spellmaking. There isn't. There really isn't.

In oblivion I used Sigil Stones to enchant clothing to get my magicka to 850 and then made massively OP spells to go around messing about with. That was at the end of my game and made it so fun. Even during my game I made reasonably powerful spells with my 300 magicka and felt just as powerful as my warrior characters.

There isn't much Oblivion did better than Skyrim, but magic is definitely one of the things it was infinitely superior with.

Disregarding the summon comment since I imagine mage as someone who does the work, not summon things that do the work for him, destro magic is good utility school of magic ... the operative word is utility. You can use it to drain magicka from casters, you can use it to kite melee, you can use it when aoe is preferable solution to encounter, but you are better off using other means to deal sustained damage.

Onca Rapotee, are you "special"?

If someone wants to run around naked with a battleaxe and nothing else, and not only is that a valid play choice, but is actually better than using destruction magic, then why can't someone go around only spamming fire ball spells?

As has already been stated, DESTRUCTION MAGIC IS A COMBAT SKILL LIKE ONE HANDED OR ARCHERY. If I can play perfectly well just shooting people with my arrows and that is a workable play style, or if I can kill people with daggers if I want, but I can't kill them using fire, ice or lightning even when I have those maxed? Is something not wrong?

Of course it is, but enjoy "spamming" invisibility and summon dremora.

I'm not. The bow is to me (on master) only really useful if you can get the 3x damage bonus. When things get tight (and they do sometimes, no matter how much I try to avoid it), I have to rely on sword, block, smithing (also on bow), and potions. There is simply no way of surviving relying on archery alone. Why should destruction?

If you have to use sword and bow as destruction mage, you are not really a mage. You are a warrior who knows some magic ...

You're doing it wrong. With the extra damage perks, faster drawing and moving perks in archery, even when enemies get close, knock them back and shoot an arrow into them whilst moving backwards. It isn't hard, and they go down in a few shots (this is setting aside the fact bows are supposed to be long range where as magic isn't supposed to have a range). Not hard with the perks.

Even with every single destruction perk, and exploited enchantments, destruction (and magic by and large as a whole) isn't very viable after the mid 20 levels. Seriously a bow at close range is still better than magic. That's ret-arded.

No... Let's hope bethesda fixes this... We don't want mods to fix our game right? We want the game to equally good for consoles and pc..
Mods just fixes stuff for the pc players!

Yeah, i never used magic that much in oblivion but hell, it was fun!

You're probably not doing it right.. I can defend/kill people easier with a bow close-range than destruction magic...

I am level 50 now. Playing pure mage. I don't carry weapons and I don't summon swords or bows. I can still kill Ancient Dragons wityh my Ice Magic even though I don't even have the extra damage perks for Ice (I chose fire so far). I have 90% spell cost reduction for destruction spells (Archmage Robes/ Circlet, Ring and Necklace with +Mana and Destro Cost Reduce/ Boots with Fire and Frost Resist).
*I have the perks that halve mana cost up to expert.
*I do not use the master spells (take too long to cast).
*I do summon Atronachs from time to time but I find I don't really need them.
*I have all but the dual casting perk for Alteration so my defense is very good.
*My character is a Breton.
*I was happy with my build at level 44 but I levelled up some Alchemy and Illusion to get to level 50.
*My skills = Alteration, Destruction, Conj, Enchant @100 / Restoration is 65 I believe, Illusion is 98, Alchemy is 89. I really don't use or have any desire to use Illusion or Alchemy but I wanted the level 50 achievement and wanted to test the difficulty at level 50.
*I have 15 levels into Hit Points, the rest in Mana
*I am not a tank, even with high Alteration skills, but I can take a few hits that gives me time to back pedal/heal/Become Ethereal

I don't feel like my character is weak, in fact he feels quite strong.

Cry less. I have a lvl30 mage with zero enchants and yet I find the game fun and the class entertaining enough.

Your opinion =/= Everyone else

For most of the game you look like a sparkler carrying hobo in a potato sack

But still, not as good as a warrior...
And not so many spells either.
Mages need a buff and new spells... nuf said

around 2000 spells in oblivion and around 96 in skyrim... what.. the... hell?

Lol, just look around the forums, you'll find loads of people thinking just like me...
And just because YOU find magic fun doesnt mean everyone else does.. right..

I am glad that we agree on this...

Exactly... And at the same time, warriors have daedric armor...

I have to get my Axe and Shield Light Armor Warrior to level 50 to comment on that but I won't deny you have a point. Still I am having fun with my mage and not struggling at all.

As to the latter part of your post I 100% agree. Not enough spells. I really want my Open Lock spell, I am sick and tired of picking locks with my mage. Guess it's good practice but I would rather just magic them open. I was also hoping we would get Levitate back.

And totally unrelated, I was hoping we were getting Spears back.

Just deal with it.

And totally unrelated, I was hoping we were getting Spears back.
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Spears would be so sweet. They were my favorite weapons in that Enzo thiefy game

Well, it's 8am, bout time to start another round of BSGF: Skyrim Forum Drinking Game! Yay!!!

I thought they svcked at first, until I realized I was doing it wrong Conjurer is fun, and powerful. I never die.