"Azura's Star: Vivec"

yah ever since level scaling came into effect i havent had that same "unsafe" feeling of fear and excitement when i go out of town or see a new enemy i havent b4. spears, medium armor types and man many many options with magic have dwindled away

When Morrowind was released I was only 12, and that game blew my mind. Nostalgia for Daggerfall, apparently, was just as strong then as nostalgia for Morrowind is now. Over time we remember only the best and worst...

Very tame compared to when Morrowind was released. Everyone was expect a full on 3D Daggerfall with better graphics. What they got instead was Morrowind with half the skills missing from Daggerfall...The forums Imploded and exploded at the same time. Let me tell you...insanity. So yes, this is tame compared to when MW was released (I assume you were here?).

i kept almalexia in mine, i like vivec and killing him ruines the fact that he left there and started traveling tamriel as vehk

Yes. A few months ago I played all the way through MW and the 3 expansions with 250+ mods, and it was amazing. I miss the fear of the dark, and even the trudging around searching for a certain cave, asking myself, "when they said to turn left on the path after the 2nd large rock that looks like a rock, did they mean this one, or is it the next one?" I'm not even kidding (much) on the second point. There was a real sense of discovery there that added something to the game and atmosphere, though I often cursed it, too.

But Skyrim has finally added some of the things that used to require mods, like more random encounters on the road and in the wild, and the occasional hunter or traveler. And I still get the urge to go running off toward some interesting landmark, or to see what's over a hill. And that is freaking awesome. It just needs a little FCOM-style spice to add a little edgy anticipation at lower levels.

Gothic 2 kicks Morrowinds ass

Switch difficulty to master
And start playing mage

that just goes to show how inaccurate written deliveries are.

he was killed by a Dunmer Bounty Hunter called Elendil and his soul was used to make the Daedric Dai-Katana of life svcking doom.

(1) I played an Altmer mage with Apprentice birthsign (translation: no character is harder to play as) and didn't feel unsafe when I played it six years ago for the first time. Guess the effect is different from person to person as I feel Skyrim is more unsafe, at least due to possibility of a dragon attacking a settlement and killing someone you know... like what happened yesterday. I spent good amount of time giving the a respectful position and promising to jump at dragon head on next time in fear of losing someone else I respect or love (thus making not just me feel unsafe everywhere, but also fear for people I know). in Morrowind, it is impossible someone ever dies by anything but you or a quest
(2) Doesn't matter if you see the red label as it is easy to know what you can or can't take. In SR it is useful because friend let you take some of stuff from their homes (representing the "Can I take this?" question to them), something that only happens in one of two extremes in MW
(3) "Horrible creatures those mudcrabs" ~Oblivion XD

I remember when Oblivion was released it didn't run on my crappy old nootebook. I had to wait for oldBlivion xD So I started my adventures with Morrowind..
It's 100times more immersive than Oblivion although now it runs on ultra high + I've installed a dozen of mods to make it more Morrowind-Skyrim-like.

Am I the only one who gets that "unsafe" feeling in Skyrim then?
And can't you get rid of the quest markers and whatnot if you want to?
And they even put back in the carriage-style fast travel from MW - presumably just to appease fans who thought the normal fast travelling was not good enough. And, of course, you're never forced to use it.

Seems to me that in many ways the options are there to make this game how you want it - more so than other games.

MGO modpack? Or did you mean MGE ?

Morrowind is brilliant, but I feel exploration has been improved greatly with each game since then and not just because they look prettier.

Supposedly, some people here need hand-holding so they don't jump and use the features use the features... kinda ironic, isn't it?
Not talking about anyone here necessarily, but I have seen many MW fans here and around the net who constantly make me facepalm... I miss the pre-Oblivion days when most of MW's fans were actually reasonable...

I miss the detailed dialogue/directions given to help you find quests....like

"head south out of town through the swamp...when you reach the stone pillar that looks like blah blah turn to your west...go straight until you find the camp...if you pass by this bridge you have gone too far"

and also the tons and tons of other dialogue.

And the no hand holding, no quest arrows/markers, no compass.

All gave it a much better feel imo.

The reality was that no one complained. Bethesda just took a step in a direction it thought it needed to go, a direction that I'd argue killed 85% of the atmosphere, immersion and challenge in the game. Turning off the handholding works to a degree, but I'd love some directions to follow.

reading this will make me reinstall MW later. Whats the MGO mod pack the OP refers too pls

So turn off quest markers and follow the road signs in Skyrim... DUH

It was, is and probably always will be the best single player game of all time.

That's the second time in two days I've heard somebody say that alchemy in Morrowind was difficult. I do not understand this complaint at all. You get a mortar and pestle, you use mortar and pestle, you get alchemy screen and put in ingredients. It's vastly more immersive and logical than finding alchemy tables set up in the most unlikely of places, and vastly more convenient than having to leave the dungeon to make a potion which you already have all the ingredients for.

This is EXACTLY what I miss about Morrowind. Turning quest markers off doesn't help in Skyrim/Oblivion, because they are not designed to play without them - people don't give you detailled instructions.

The lack of a STEAL marker led to the scariest ten minutes of gameplay in my life in Morrowind. I was in the city Vivec for the first time, and I was just discovering how much fun alchemy was, so I was in the habit of plucking every plant I saw in my travels. Well I picked a plant in a garden bed outside a shop, and everyone drew their weapons and started chasing me. I didn't know Vivec and I had never gotten in trouble with the law before, I didn't know how to yield and accept jail time - I ran and ran desperately healing myself, going round in circles searching for the exit with hordes of angry Vivec residents and guards chasing me.

If there had been a STEAL marker there that would never have happened, and I would have missed out on that fun experience (in hindsight, at the time I was terrified).

The definition of nostalgia is 1. A bittersweet longing for things, persons, or situations of the past. 2. The condition of being homesick; homesickness.
What you'll notice is that those who liked elements from Morrowind aren't suffering the second, and that if they are suffering the first, then it is completely valid.
If someone changes something to make it perceptibly and definably worse (and the reasons are being presented all over the boards), and can present the exact points that make it bad, then they are justified.

Saying "it's nostalgia" and "this is better" isn't presenting an argument against the incredibly similar complaints all these people are having. As such, wouldn't it be necessary, therefore, to stop saying "nostalgia" like its some winning card and start trying to prove why making the game easier and less challenging is better (and doing so without falling into the trap of admitting you want to just hack things to death with your sword).

Similarly, people on the boards after MW was released weren't complaining about anything more than the combat third person inconsistencies. The complaints that absolutely dominated the boards after OB was released are exactly the same you're seeing here today. Fast travel and GPS. You'll notice that for these complaints to last FIVE years, they're pretty big ones.

Also, Morrowind wasn't dubbed "worst in the series" (please provide me ANY source that said this). Games that are worst in the series don't spark a huge modding community and legions of psychotically passionate fans. The mods have just given MW a playability, graphically and otherwise beyond 2002-2003. MW was an amazing game, and is an amazing game as a vanilla game, but it's also an amazing blank canvas on which mods were able to be made.

The answer is really simply to get rid of 80% of the complaints on the boards. Scrap or limit fast travel (why the hell do the carriages exist in the game beyond the first hour?), get rid of compass markers and the majority of map markers (especially for the bloody "ancient, hidden, unseen cave that is rumoured to exist, but I've marked on your map!") and you'll find a lot of happy people. And guess what, I bet that no new player would complain at all about being "forced" to actually walk across the amazingly beautiful landscape they've created, and you'd sure as hell satisfy all the old players who are sick of the default being "special school mode".

This.

We dont have Gansta Rap anymore (Seriously I dont give a [censored] what you say, nothing from today compares to NWA)
We dont have Proper Metal anymore (well, we have some, just not really as good at all)
We dont have Proper Electro/house/club music anymore

What we do have, is a mixture of all of them with the added touch of an untelented singer who looks good, dancing. Case and point, Snoop Dogg & Katy Perry's song. Or SouljaBoy & Travis Barker. Its all just a mash together for 'everyone' and everyone that actually appreciates music feels sick.

I Feel that gaming is going the same way...

Remember CSS
Remember BG2 & Fallout?

What do you get if you mix them together while taking out most of the challanging aspects?

Mass Effect.

- More diversity in NPC races.

-A lot more diversity in enemies.

-An actually fun, useful, utalitarian spellsystem instead of this gimped remnant of greatness we now have.

Bethesda, whatever you do, don't listen to that ^guy!

I loved Morrowind, but sorry, I'm not a teenager with 3 afternoons off smoking pot anymore.
I'm an advlt, I have a career, I have a girlfriend and I have mates, I also have interests away from the PC. I'm lucky if I get and hour or 2 of game time in the evening. when I play a PC game I don't want to be forced into an incredibly slow paced style of play, running back and forth, despretaly trying to remember/find the quest giver, just because some elitist whiney mongtard without a decent social life has too much time on his hands and can't restrain himself from clicking fast travel.

you may think everybody else is dumb, but you're incredibly immature. and of course Nostalgia is clouding your judgement.