Yea I agree, I made a thread like this too but it got lost lol. Morrowind was also my favorite. Still is though. But this BLOWS Oblivion out of the water even though I like that as well.

The thing I don't get: If it's too overpowered and "easy" for you... DON"T [censored] USE IT, haha... come on, it's that easy.

I don't enchant cause I love still being excited to loot an enchanted piece of armor and hope to find more instead of making an uber set by myeslf. But that's how I like to play, everyone should play how they want. Which is the beuty of Bethesda games. ALL OF THEM.

And I play on an old fat PS3 with 12mb saves and 110+ hours and guess what? The bugs don't bother me a damn bit and this patch has helped it be even more fun. It's just the internet man, you have to learn to ignore the angry mobs. Which is hard when the complaints are so ridiculously stupid lol.

What makes me tired of this forum is threads like this, complaining about complainers. Is there really nothing else you people can do here besides complaining? God.

What makes me tired of this forum is threads like this, complaining about complainers. Is there really nothing else you people can do here besides complaining? God.

I've lurked around these forums and had an account on here for quite some time that I can't remember the password or email for (MadMaxofHazardUs), so I feel like I needed to create a new account to say my piece.

Over the past few days, I've lurked the Skyrim forums on here and am amazed at the attitudes people have toward this game, whining and complaining. Many of you feel that Skyrim is a further step down from Oblivion, which is a further step down from Morrowind (side note: Morrowind was my favorite game until Skyrim came along). Many of you talk of "balance" and being overpowered and Destruction being underpowered. The fact is, alot of the people whose posts I've read have made valid points and I can see the merit for some of their threads. But...history seems to be repeating itself. People complained about Oblivion on those forums so much thinking that Bethesda would fix everything that people universally had problems with, but they didn't. The mod community had to.

It's clear that they aren't going to do the same for Skyrim, except for putting out patches to fix BUGS, nothing gameplay related that you think is a step back.

So my questions are these: if you all see the Elder Scrolls series being dumbed down, why stick around with a game series you clearly have a love/hate relationship with? Why do you continue to buy a product that you knew, leading up to release, you had low expectations for? If you want some sort of change to happen, vote with your wallet so to speak and don't buy their next game (but don't pirate it of course lol).

TL; DR If you think the series has been dumbed down, don't buy the next game in the series and let that be a sign to BGS that you want a better game, because they'll lose money.

Hmmm, a troll... *equips fireball on both hands*

Personally - it's not like this is anything new. Pretty much any videogame that comes out, it's forum tends to go through several distinct stages.

Early on, there's a lot of speculation. The "What do you want" and "Wouldn't this be cool" threads tend to be dominate. Until new information comes out, that can only last so long before it starts to stagnate. (There's only so many new members coming into the conversation at this point, join rate is slower, and eventually everyone's already said the same things over and over.)

Between these stages, there also tends to be a lot of "how long until we see something new?" threads.

As new information does get released - of any sort - it's standard for the forum to break it down into bite-sized chunks and then pore over every minute detail with a fine-toothed comb. The more info-starved the forum is, the farther this can go (for example, I've seen threads based solely around a developer's specific wording about a feature, and even their very intonation. There's a lot of debate to be had from something as small as a five-word Tweet, I've learned.)

Part in parcel with this, this is where polarization begins to occur. For every member who thinks that one specific feature is going to make this game the most important advancement in the history of the human race and put the game beyond reproach, there's going to be another who feels that this is a sign of the downward spiral of the industry overall, a personal affront, and just generally the most awful thing ever. Those two members will have the capacity to carry the inevitable clash until long after the game actually comes out.

Closer to release, this pattern intensifies, and media hype kicks in and more new information gets released on a more rapid basis.

Where we are now, there's going to be a lot less speculation, and a lot more opinion. New members are coming in more rapidly, and there's always a kind of tension there. Members who have been following the game on the forum since it's announcement are tired of the threads that keep coming up (which, by the way, is natural and also perfectly okay,) and we see a lot of "ugh, this has been answered already," and "use the search feature" silliness.

Along with this - most things have already been discussed by this point. New info tends to cover and crystallize information already known. The forum is running out of topics to talk about, tensions are running high, and we start to see a lot of "Well, I want to start a thread but can't think of anything to talk about so I'll spam something," and "I'm so tired of seeing all these spam threads so I'll make a spam thread just to show everyone how silly it is," as well as my personal favorite - "I'm going to make an ironic spam thread just to make my point - again - about how 'stupid' I find those people who want this thing that I don't want in the game."

Then, the game comes out. Actually, a lot of activity dies down at this point. This is also where the issues sub-forums start to flood over. If every game forum I've ever followed, going back over a decade, is any indication - this will be the "worst and buggiest game ever made, why did they rush this piece of crap out, how come I have to pay for what is essentially a beta test, I'll never buy a game from this company again, I want a refund direct from you," and so on. (Worth noting that a lot of problems will actually be valid, and that this actually is a proper place for venting some frustration about it.)

In response to this, there will also be one or two members who will find every one of these threads and will post just to say that they've had no problems with the game and everyone else must be doing something wrong. Those members will be accused of being company plants, paid to lie about the game. Us Mods will also be accused of trying to hide just how many people are having problems.

Following that, the "reviews" start coming in. Everyone will have something to say (a lot of it negative - members having fun with the game are usually too busy to bother much with the forum.) Also, lots and lots of spoilers posted in general discussion. A lot of magazine will also have reviewed the game "wrongly," and given it an obviously incorrect score (one way or another.)

Eventually, things will settle down, however.

And then they'll announce Fallout 4 and the whole things starts again!

Anyway - just saying, there's nothing happening in Skyrim General Discussion that hasn't gone down with every other forum on this site - as well as every single other game forum for every game ever made for as long as there's been a history of the forums. It's just something that happens. It's really quite predictable, and certainly nothing to get too worked-up about.

What makes me tired of this forum is threads like this, complaining about complainers. Is there really nothing else you people can do here besides complaining? God.

If I may quote nu_clear_day
~SNIP~

What makes me tired of this forum is threads like this, complaining about complainers. Is there really nothing else you people can do here besides complaining? God.

No, just a guy expressing his opinion. *be careful with that fire!*

I don't think he's complaining about complainers as much as telling them to SHUT THE FECK UP

ahaha, yes I said feck.

I too am sick of reading all these whiny babies telling bethesda to do this and do that. If it's really such a problem then take Ghandi's advice

"Be the change you want to see in the world." Start a game studio and make something that comes close to Skyrim.

What makes me tired of this forum is threads like this, complaining about complainers. Is there really nothing else you people can do here besides complaining? God.

It's clear that they aren't going to do the same for Skyrim, except for putting out patches to fix BUGS, nothing gameplay related that you think is a step back.

Read the stickies... Beth has said they will be doing it in January.

What makes me tired of this forum is threads like this, complaining about complainers. Is there really nothing else you people can do here besides complaining? God.