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Like I said before, my character's in-game actions do not in whole reflect my own. Just because I did my own alternate universe, does not mean I approve of it.

Though it was fun.

You on the other hand seem to think genocide is justified.

Definition: mass extermination

Oh, totally. It's not like this is the real world and actual living beings were harmed.

In the story the Falmer were dikebutts and tried to kill the Nords. So they got their just comeuppance. Were the Nords dikebutts in return? Sure. But Falmer are just monsters to be defeated, they aren't a player race. They don't elicit any sympathy from me, especially given what they are now.

White souls.

Synonyms: http://thesaurus.com/browse/annihilation, http://thesaurus.com/browse/carnage, decimation, ethnic cleansing, http://thesaurus.com/browse/holocaust, mass execution, mass murder, http://thesaurus.com/browse/massacre, race extermination, http://thesaurus.com/browse/slaughter

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I don't know, the Vale is pretty big... but you're right. Well he can at least save the ones nearby. The Blackreach ones... well...

Good for you.

I'll maintain my principles and not blindly worship a race because of pop culture.

SAVAGERY.

http://cloud-2.steampowered.com/ugc/541834765411961870/DEEE288D9172F931AA68722D5D3F65B7245E382C/

svcks when it's the Nords on the receiving end isn't it?

I half expected you to say something along the lines of Nords being dimwitted creature and transforming them into white souls is an easy task for your draugr army since they are already such a stupid race.

That's an insult. My Draugr are more civilized then those goblins who call themselves True Nords. Insult I say!

The white soul point is pretty much wholly irrelevant. Falmer and Giants are white souls, not for lore reasons, but for gameplay reasons.

Wait, do you really think I care if you kill dudes?

lol

I get furious when Bethesda paints the Nords poorly, sure. But do you think it matters to me in the slightest when people play their games and kill all the Nords or make mods that make Thalmor rule Skyrim?

Dude it isn't canon. It isn't something that's going to be brought up in the next game or the game after that, or even the game after that. Hell, by that time I'll probably be too old to care. Ain't no sweat off my back.

Well, if you say so it must be true!

Both are wholly sapient creatures. If they were black souls in the game, you'd have half of your soul gem filling capacity wiped out from that.

So what gameplay reasons are there for these two "Sapient races" (I'll give you that they could be sentient, but sapient? really? Not even remotely.) to have white souls if it isn't canon? It'd literally take no more time to make them black souls than white. So why make them white?

Yet you are so vehemently anti-Falmer and Pro-Nords are justififed for killing them, so my point still remains. You don't like it when Nords are portrayed as victims. Yet you approve of Nords committing "savagery" cuz it's cool. That's hypocritical.

Oh and, pattern dictates otherwise. Morrowind and Oblivion all had major catastrophes. Skyrim is next, and that Falmer book is a possible clue. It's not impossible.

Man I don't think you and I are on the same page. I think you take this stuff way deeper than I do.

I regularly admit that the Nords were total dikebutts to the monster race that was created only to be defeated by the player race. It is cool because the monster race was defeated in a neat and interesting way by the player race.

It doesn't really compare to writing Nords out of character compared to the lore they wrote for them. But that's a whole different topic entirely.

My guess is there will be absolutely no Falmer Role in the next Elder Scrolls game, unless Skyrim2whereareyou was right all along about a Skyrim 2.

Let's assume the next Elder Scrolls will be Black Marsh, the Kothringi will probably be silver-skinned bandits.

If the Falmer are not considered sapient, then none of the races on Nirn are.

They have culture, language, gods, tools, domesticated animals, societal hierarchy and even take slaves.

Again, it's not about the difficulty of making a soul black or white but the availability of said souls in the game. Giants are one of the only sources (off the top of my head) that are grand souls. Falmer represent a large portion of the available enemies in Skyrim; flip them to black souls and you'll find that along with bandits, there are significantly less opportunities to fill up soul gems.

Player race?

Your statement here would have some merit.. if it weren't for these: http://www.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Forgotten_Vale_Books_Quest

Consider this: I wasn't hip to Falmer at all. Until Dawnguard came out... All of a sudden, I find myself irrevocably disgusted in the Nords to the point that I will likely never play them in a future TES to come. Clearly the "meant to serve only as a monster race to be slain" doesn't hold up here. Dawnguard made the mistake of giving the Falmer a sympathetic perspective.

Now, all of a sudden, Glorious Ysgramor and his deeds of Valor aren't so Black & White.

Dudes I am so tiredy beans.

Culture: No they don't?

Language: Source.

Gods: Source on the Betrayed having gods.

Domesticated animals: Sure do. There's a video of a monkey who domesticated a pig into letting it ride the pig, too.

Societal Hierarchy: Maybe. Doesn't really seem to be any different than whoever is most dangerous calls the shots.

Slaves: Probably more a part on Vyrthur than any thinking the Falmer actually do.

Falmer are more or less endgame opponents, so that doesn't really fly. You never fight Falmer repeatedly save for in Blackreach or some Dwemer ruins and even then, they have chaurus and spiders.

Bethesda wrote out some stuff to give the Falmer a human element, but they still started the war and Bethesda also makes it plain as day: they're the same culturally as Altmer. And Altmer think they're better than every single race. So if the Nords let the Falmer off, they'd just recoup and try to kill the Nords again. You like the Falmer? Fine and dandy. But that doesn't change what the Falmer are. An opponent to be defeated.

I always thought the Dwemer were more at fault, being they were the ones who poisoned the Snow Elves, leading them to their blind and sickly states? I may be completely wrong.

Because Nords certainly don't have enough pride to drown a whale?

No **** the Altmer think they are better than everyone else? How many times have they attemped to conquer anyone? Just twice. First time was Valenwood, and it ended in them forming a strong empire together in unison. And second: The Thalmor of the fourth era.

Meanwhile the Nords have done nothing but commit warfare on all neighboring provinces and races including other human races.

Obviously that's what the deformed Falmer are going to try and do, with out guidance that is. Which is where Gelebor comes in. But of course this never crossed the mind of the Nords because they are so arrogant to view them as monsters that NEED to be exterminated, AS IF there hasn't been enough BLOOD-SHED TO BEGIN WITH.

And this all stems from the tunnel-visioned approach to historical documentation where you predictably accept the Nordic view as the only truth and vehemently disregard any other possibly in fear of the demonization of the prideful arrogant jerk Nords that smugly plague the once peaceful area of Skyrim, and brought their World-Eating Dragon and viking Devil God with them.

Do not expect me to sympathize with a bunch of Warmongering savages that answer everything with an axe while in a drunken stupor. I would rather watch paint ****ing dry than like the boring, cliche, generic viking lore of the Nords. Because god-forbid Bethesda adds some mysticalness to them that may devalue the size of their pencses.

Obviously, I'm a hypocrite for sympathizing with the Falmer. And suggesting the Nords truly are PRICKS, and the fact that they worship pricks like a bunch of stupid dogs that worship the Alpha-male, makes them stupid pricks. How could I?!

And, I think I'll leave this unending debate on that. There really is nothing more for me to say on the matter without repetition. I'm disgusted in the Nords. And that's probably not going to change for awhile.

Why do all the interesting threads pop up whenever I'm inactive

Anyway, nothing will ever justify genocide. And yes, we are sentient beings. We are more intelligent than most would suspect. Our souls are merely gameplay mechanics, etc. etc. Must we repeat such over and over again?

Though I suspect that we would have to wait at least five more centuries to be able to communicate again. No, the falmer of today did not form overnight, so they have not been such for 4000 years, I suspect that it took about 2000 or more years for the Falmer of before to become the betrayed of now. So my suspicions is that our intelligence is not actually increasing, but decreasing, and it only seems to be increasing because our initial intelligence was underestimated, and thus, when people saw more than what they had expected, they had thought us to have progressed when in fact we have not but actually the opposite has happened.

Again, it's all suspicions, not definite facts.

Honestly, I was expecting more "Cuz 500 did it 4000 yirs ago, lololol, u is fake cuz nords r awsum."

Though the question remains for me, what does soul have to do with intelligence or being sentient?

The dwemer were the bullet, but the Nords were the trigger.

If your soul is black, you're a "person"

If your soul is white, you're a "creature"

If you're a creature, the moral standards in dealing with you is lowered at least 5 tiers

And moral compass is usually composed of 6 tiers