I wouldn't be so bold as to profess it a fact.

We dont know if the CoC was insane or not, that is just ones preception of what happened. Also he didn't kill Jyggalag, he basically did what has been done before, so now Sheogorath can make a whole new world to destroy. Also, it is not fact anywhere that one Daedric prince is stronger than another. Just because one says they are doesn't mean anything. Of course he would say that he is the strongest. And yeah he was cursed, but who wouldn't want the prince of madness cursed? CoC didn't beat Dagon, Akatosh did. And Umaril isn't a daedric prince. And yes the Nerevarine did very impressive things but never killed a god, only god like beings. And as Hircine said Hircine gives his prey a chance, and if they win he lets them live. He is the prince of the hunt. His sphere is The Hunting Grounds for gods sake (no pun intended)

All daedric princes are the same, others are just more unliked. To think of one as being more powerful is really not worth doing, as the fact nobody really knows and if one is defeated they are just reborn again.

I for one say there should be a battle royal between the princes. :toughninja:

My Nerevarine was a sneaky, lore-obsessed smooth-talker who had basic combat training, mastery of common spells, and relied heavily on enchantments and artifacts to outwit and defeat foes. He didn't have the strength of the greatest guards or the sheer power master spellcasters had, but used his own abilities and possessions with subtlety and knew when to call it quits and run to regroup. Studying and being familiar with enemies and surroundings, being versatile, and sometimes just being lucky saw him through to the end. In a straight-on fight of swords vs swords or spells vs spells against the best, he'd probably lose.

My Champion of Cyrodiil learned as much as he could on how to best handle weapons, armor, fighting all kinds of enemies mortal or otherwise, and knew spells that either boosted his already high talents or diminished his foes. He was a knightly fellow and had the strength to knock everyone down a peg, plus some conjuration on the side enough to summon a Clannfear as support, which in my opinion is the best summon hands-down (if you don't know why, it hunts down enemies, staggers them, does decent enough damage, and the spell seems to have a good lasting time. I daresay it's the smartest thing you can summon on top of all that).

My point is my latest characters in both of these games went through the game differently, depending on my tastes as I went through. My Nerevarine would probably lose to my CoC because they're both smart enough to survive at least the main questlines but my Champ is more built to get in and beat everything to death while my Nerevar-incarnate is more a general "problem-solver" and doesn't focus solely on combat.


The player character in Daggerfall could have been the greatest stealth-killing assassin or a devout healer, the Nerevarine could be an axe-swinging warrior, the CoC could have really been a mage that has all his summons and spells do all the work. It's not really logical to decide which player character is stronger since there are too many ways to count how the games could have been played through and so many play-styles that could have been used. Some people max their stats out, some go for a more "realistic" feel, some purposefully keep them weak for the challenge.

Whatever they are can only really be judged by the accomplishments attributed to them. The rest is up to you/unknown.

Unless there's canon material describing how they were/are, in which case I'd kindly like to be directed at the source. :liplick:

Now now now... You people who say that the Nerevarine killed "this and that and those and him and her and something" are exaggerating slightly. You could say that "the Nerevarine slaughtered every citizen in Mournhold and Vvardenfell atleast once, the guards atleast thrice and Dagoth Ur like 50 times".
That is the same as saying that "The Champion of Cyrodiil slaughtered every citizen and Daedra in Cyrodiil and the Shivering Isles, the guards atleast thrice and the essentials like 50 times".

We cannot say certainly who is the strongest since it all depends on YOUR view of it.

EDIT: Yeah... The guy above me (Praised be) said it before me... Didnt see that.

Lore-wise, the nerevarine killed Hircine's aspects, Dagoth Ur, the Dagoths, and Almalexia (Vivec too, if he wanted to ). This alone is 10x greater than anyone CoC killed lore-wise.

The CoC took on a prince, on the prince's home turf. Try fighting MD on MD.

I would consider Mankar Camoran and Umaril equals to Dagoth Ur and Almalexia when the Nerevarine killed them, while we're at it. With the Heart of Lorkhan's destruction, they were only powerful mortals when killed, right? What was Mankar Camoran inside his own paradise? Technically, is that his own little realm of Oblivion? The Merish goal of returning to the Dawn involves becoming gods once again, no? So, where was Camoran in that process?

I was about to post, but then I've read this. Camoran and Umaril were easy, but that's because the GAME Oblivion was easy. Morrowinds Omni-Gods were harder, and that's because the game was harder and Omni-Gods like Vivec and Almex... (Ugh, sorry. Forgotten how to spell her name D:) didn't level up with you. They've stayed same levels through the entire game. Vivec being level 100 I think.

Well, if Camoran really was Paradise, that little mer we saw at the very end would be nothing more than an avatar, and killing said avatar would have done NOTHING. Instead, Paradise, as I see it, is nothing more than a Pocket Realm, like the Battlespire. So no, he should not have had godly powers, only a powerful mortal with mortal limitations.

As to why when people died and came back to life in Paradise, they bound themselves to to Paradise, and it acted in large part as a way bypass the Dreamsleeve and the dead faithful are able to rise again as if nothing happened, without the whole zombification bit.

As for the whole where was Camoran bit, he was still waiting for Mundus to be destroyed, but the CoC killed him, and helped Martin banish MD, so his plans at returning to the Dawn went to the toilet.

Oh, and I'd say Alamenexia and Dagoth Ur were much more powerful than Camoran, with Dagoth Ur being more powerful towards the end of the reign of the Tribunal, only because he was living right next to the heart.

But like I said, the CoC fought a prince in the prince's very own realm, and won. Not a prince who split his power up, not a prince who was just an avatar, not some weakened mortal gods, he fought the prince on the prince, meaning there is no reduction of power on the prince's part.

However, I'd like to add a food for thought, was it the CoC who defeated Jyggy, or was it Sheogorath?

Huh? When did that happen? The Shivering Isles aren't Jyggalag's realm, and the CoC never fights MD(succesfully).

By the end of Shivering Ilse, Sheogorath/Shivering Ilse was 99% Jyggalag. Why else was it all crystalline ordered save for the one very small portion you and Jyggy fought on?

Remember, the realm of the prince IS the prince, and the prince IS the realm. That Scottish fellow whose all silly? The nightmaric anorexic old women? That child with a horn and a dog? The big red demon thing with 4 arms? Nothing more than avatars to serve as a way to make a presence, even in their own realm. And when I say fight MD on MD, I mean actually fight the real MD, not some avatar that came to Nirn. The real prince is the realm.

Mankar Camoran was pathetic. Anyone who let's himself get killed in his own realm really isn't strong at all. Umaril was only defeated, because (lore friendly) The crusader had a bunch of knights with him to help, and his armor was blessed out the [censored], or (game friendly) Oblivion characters are overpowered, and make no sense.

The heart of lorkhan merely removed the demi-god's immortality. They still kept their power (Almalexia more than Vivec, though.).

Actually, the Divine Crusader becomes separated from the rest of his Knights upon manipulating an orb. He fights Umaril by himself, twice and back-to-back.

Vast magical power and knowledge doesn't make you invincible, even at the seat of your power.

Even MD got his butt handed to him by a mortal in The Battlespire. Then again, said mortal was, as proweler said, equipped with the equivalent of the Death Star.

Regardless, his armor is still blessed out the [censored].

I'd agree with you...had the font of madness still been crystalized during the fight. You can't say symbols are important and then disregard them when you feel like it.

and the only reason the Nerevarine defeated Dagoth Ur was because he used the tools on the heart.

And because Dagoth Ur fell in the lava shortly after the fight began. Its canon.

Every. [censored]. Time.

For a god, he had some serious inadequacies. Like a complete lack of coordination. The fool.

Sometimes, he falls on the rope bridge.

And then falls in the lava.

Most of the time, yeah. Once, I managed to get him to follow me up to the heart.

Yea, sometimes he does fine, most of the time with me actually. I'm just amused by the fact that at one point I had to argue that he wasn't actually supposed to fall in the lava.

Perhaps bethesda should invest in semi-permeable collision boxes that only protect bosses.