So, I was wondering, Jyggalag was cursed because he was the most powerful prince. However, the Champion of Cyrodiil, a mere mortal defeated him.

Hircine, not the most powerful prince, faced off with the reincarnation of Lord Nerevar, the one who killed Dagoth Ur and Almelexia. He said "Facing me in all my glory would be less than sporting of me."

To sum up The CoC > Jyggalag > Hircine >> Nerevarine => CoC >>>> Nerevarine.

Am I missing something?

Note: My opinion is that the Nerevarine is a lot stronger than the CoC.

I think that there were extenuating circumstances in Jyggalag V. CoC.
Call me a really devoted fan, but I don't want CoC to be stronger than the Nerevarine.

edit: what in the world is up with this? I keep typing "f a n boy" and it keeps changing it to "really devoted fan" when I save it.

Jyggalag was the most powerful only before he was cursed. That took all the others combined, but they cut him down to size.With the reduced Jyggalag, CoC = Nerevarine > all the others. Hircine is bluffing.

Hircine is bluffing?

Powerful =\= strong in combat

He was too conceited and unfamiliar with full glory of Lord Nerevar Reborn, .

Really, we cant measure power of Nerevarine by that fight with Hircine.

The CoC was no mere mortal, especially not when he/she was fighting Jyggalag. At that point, he/she was insane and deep into the Shegorath mantling process. Also, since the CoC became the Divine Crusader, he/she was a Shezarrine(an avatar of Shezarr/Shor/Lorkhan). The avatar of a god on the verge of becoming an actual god would be pretty powerful, if you ask me. The Nerevarine was a mere mortal who got a disease that made him immune to other diseases and aging. All he/she really did was kill powerful mortals(needed to destroy the Heart of Lorkhan to defeat Dagoth Ur, was only able to kill two other "gods" from the same source because they had also lost much of their divine powers; Vivec was separate from the Heart for a long enough time to not be able to restore his powers and Almalexia was, as well, although the Heart's destruction would also render her powerless, at least when it came to divine powers), as the CoC did, but again, the CoC was an avatar of a god on the verge of mantling a god. The Nerevarine was not either of those things.

I see. I thought that the events of Knights of the Nine came after the Shivering Isles, but that thinking was based on nothing more than release dates.

Still, the Nerevarine did kill Gaenor, a feet greater than slaying any other god.

Anyway, thanks for the info. It sort of doesn't feel like the CoC is more powerful, but then again it must be the game mechanics that made it seem that way. On one hand you have Azura praising you "Hail savior, hortator and nerevarine, your people look to you for protection" and on the other a silly high elf who humorously says "I proclaim you Champion of Cyrodiil. You'll get nice armor in a week". Add to that the fact that Hircine is far cooler than Jyggalag and that Almelexia seems to be far more superior than Umbriel... I suppose it's a matter of personal taste.

All Daedric Princes are just as powerful. Jyggalag only had a powerful ARMY, because he's the Prince of Order. Nothing more, nothing less.

Hircine is well known for letting his prey stand a chance. Of course he let the Nerevarine fight one aspect. It's how he rolls.

Also, a Daedric Prince will be a lot less powerful outside his realm, imo. I'm not sure what lore says, if anything, ut it seems to make sense to me.

A Prince doesn't leave his realm.

Dagon?

When I say "Prince", I mean the prince's avatar. Like Hircine in Bloodmoon, and Dagon in Oblivion.

Came through the dissolved barriers, tattered by a lot of upheaval.

It isn't that a Prince's avatar leaves their realm. There's madness and revolt, in Mundus. This is what makes them relevant. Why they can come to Tamriel in the first place.

So the daedra could get together again to do the same thing to all the rest of them? Turn Sanguine into Buzz Killington for a millennium at a time? Turn Molag Bal into a feminist?

Take Jyggy's "I'm was the most powerful" with a big grain of salt.

The defeat of Jyggylag by the CoC-as-Sheogorath was a fated, cyclical thing, not a contest of pure power. The Graymarch, or the Enantiomorph.

We don't have any details on what actually happened.

Just make it daedric musical chairs. Whoever loses gets their sphere reversed by the others.

Though I guess the opposite of Namira's ancient darkness is modern daylight. And Malacath's sphere is the Bloody Curse, so what's the opposite of a period?

Being pregnant :cryvaultboy:

Spot on. :goodjob:

Yes, you are missing the fact that the CoC was completely insane and all of the events in Shivering Isles occured solely in his/her head. :bonk:

He also forgot the fact that Haskell is the real sheogorath, and all the events of SI were staged by him for his own amusemant, turning the CoC into a pawn of his own madness.

Still, if the Nerevarine can kill Vivec, Almalexia, Dagoth Ur, a Netch with a Fork, Divayth Fyr, Sotha Sil if he wasn't already dead, Cliff Racers, Hircine's three aspects, werewolves, the Imperfect :sadvaultboy:, Ordinators, Everyone in the three great houses, and Almalexia's hands, I'm going to go with the fact that he's better than the CoC.

Who in reality, only killed a few daedra and undeads.

Do not forget the mightiest of them all... Gaenor!

Dum, dum, dum!

thats just your mad theory... which could make it true of course then again how do you know that the tree isn't the real sheo disguising itself as a tree in its realm which is in sheogoraths head

and you were listing everyone and i mean EVERYONE that the nerevarine killed and just minimising the champion of cyrodills victories (bassically i say that they are pretty even).

Nerevarine is far superior to CoC. Not bashing Oblivion, but he is. Let's count the reasons.

-Nerevarine united warring factions against a common foe with diplomacy. What did CoC do? Killed a few daedra and looted an enchantment item for each of the counts.

-Defeated gods. What did CoC do? Helped Martin defeat Mehrunes Dagon. HELPED. He also beat a weakened deity, because he always lost to mortals in the Graymarch.

-Became the leader of the Fighters', Mages' and Thieves' Guilds. Became head of Morag Tong, Tribunal Temple, Imperial Cult, and Imperial Legion, and one of the great houses. CoC became leader of Fighters', Mages', and Thieves' Guilds. As well as Dark Brotherhood.

-Nerevarine fought Divayth Fyr, the most powerful wizard on Nirn. Champion of Cyrodiil fought who? Fathis Aren?

-Nerevarine defeated millions of Cliffracers. CoC fought 50 wolves and bears.

Nerevarine>CoC

This thread turned out quite interesting after all.

I'm with Kalarn.